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Caitlin Johnstone
Title: GOING ROGUE 12
Published: 2018-01-25
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFJTt2jeGBQ
Title: GOING ROGUE 12
Published: 2018-01-25
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFJTt2jeGBQ
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[Music] hey welcome to going rove the podcast for clear eyed rebels and utopia Preppers i'm here as always with the rogue journalist Caitlin johnston i'm Caitlin's worse half Tim Foley how you doing Caitlin you wrote an article titled some thoughts on spirituality and revolution right tell us about that what are your thoughts on spirituality and revolution many thoughts on spirituality and revolution - Timothy yeah I2/79
don't know if you've noticed but I do like to talk about it a lot you know with us anyway yes that's how we met actually yeah I think people probably don't know that that's our that's our how we met stories we we met on on Facebook and spirituality groups right so this is not necessarily talking politics but talking evolution I guess yeah and I say yeah3/79
and like you say in the article there there's they're not necessarily they're not really different they're they're they're intimately connected right and I think that if you're gonna believe in a out a political revolution then you would have to you have to believe in human potential you have to have some insight whether you found it in your own lived reality or you've seen it happen that4/79
humans can actually change and that they can shed some conditioning and some patterns and and change for the better you have to believe that there's some some sort of unseen thing that can turn this thing around on a dime right some X Factor some X Factor yes because I mean right now if you just followed where the patterns were going you you would that's a pretty5/79
kind of pessimistic look it doesn't look good does it like if we keep continue doing exactly what we we've been doing we don't have much longer Yeah right yeah if you look at us just like basically wet machines ah there's no reason to think any of that's gonna change we're just marching faster and faster toward our own extinction yeah and um and a lot of that6/79
is like leftover monkey programming basically kind of like we evolved from apes and in a lot of ways we haven't actually like given up some of that ape-like thinking right and including out like a drive for competition a drive to to destroy competition and a drive to to take the resources and get to the top of the pack and get the top of the pack yeah7/79
I come the silverback yeah um these things are quite insane like they don't work and in a healthy society I'm sure that they would they would have like someplace but the the drive for competitiveness is that complete odds with collaboration you can't really compete and collaborate at the same time it's such a creativity drain isn't it such an energy drain trying to figure out how to8/79
get one up on everybody and write this little competition yeah have your little letters and high Rockies in your mind about who's doing what whether or not they're doing it better than you and all of this crazy stuff like all right I mean look where most human innovation goes right now it's toward the military that's where all the top minds that at least try to recruit9/79
all the top minds straight to the military to try and get them researching and developing new and innovative ways to kill people and is making money and getting getting one up in the stock market it's a competition isn't it coming up with some new drug that you can convince everyone they need I mean even the the drives for Entrepreneurship or even us you know even to10/79
make music or whatever is so heavily linked with competition like in you you can't just dream up something cool and then make it that cool thing happen let that cool thing has to make money for a start and you know you want to do you want it to be your idea and like everyone knows that it was your idea and everyone goes wow you really had11/79
a good idea and look at you will give you money and then you become the big important person and all of this like instead of just having a cool idea that helps everyone and then being happy that like the cool idea helps everyone right yeah there's all this you know intellectual property and all the middlemen that gets set up between whatever cool thing that you make12/79
and and the people who figure out how to turn it into yes and I didn't even have the cool idea they'd take the cook the person who has a cool idea and then they make they own it that person and then they make money out of that person those are the those are the really rich people like in the music industry it's not the artists themselves13/79
it's the middlemen right or one Samara sites the ones who never have any freaking you know though they don't have any music in them themselves I don't have any art and it's the same in entrepreneurship and stuff startups you see people have these amazing ideas they they threw together something and they get something going that's really exciting and amazing and then they get bought out by14/79
some who often warehouses it yeah especially if it's a really good idea yeah because it's some sort of competition for their shitty idea and they want to keep their shitty idea in the market for as long as possible yeah so yeah my name's an incredibly bad tool for collaboration it really rewards competition but I think anyway that's kind of like that's one of the aspects of15/79
human consciousness that that needs to shift and what like it will shift in the whole if if it's possible that it will shift in the individual and it can shift in the individual as you know in the article there's there's many well-documented cases scientifically documented basically of radical shifts in consciousness that individuals have where they snap out of their mental narratives and move into a wholesome16/79
way of functioning right and I see that like if you know in the same way that you know you suddenly have a realization that they're a little voice inside your head that you call you is these crazy person who basically narrating the past you know it's like really doesn't have anything interesting to say it runs in loops and it tells you like it oh the only17/79
trick that the voice in your head can really have these two arguably stuff noticed like that it's only thing bitching visit its a and really can only you know we know actually we're scientific studies it that's not even where um shreya Caitlin says the ego is just a little in your head mine and mine is I don't know I kind of see that's great that's very18/79
cool yeah yeah awful thing yeah these machinations at work in your brain that like appear to be thought but they're not they're just a narrator of the past and what the decision-making process actually happens in the subconscious it happens wordlessly and so they they we can we know through studies that you will you'll come to your decision a couple of seconds before your narrator brain catches19/79
up which is pretty funny really to think about it because they say your little voice in your head is going oh yeah well I reckon I know I know what we should do we should do this thing but it's just it's playing catch-up the hole that was already happening so there's that there's this this chain of events that you can't perceive in your own consciousness and20/79
and it makes the decision and then later as a result of that chain of events you experience this mental noise in your head going I'm gonna turn left yeah yeah and there's a great quote by a guy called Robert a Heinlein saying man he's not a rational animal he's a rationalizing animal and that's yeah I guess the little and you had rationalizing all the time these21/79
decisions that you already made me had no responsibility for no ya had nothing to do with the actual decision getting made ah yeah well I did that because Joe is an and I wanted to stay away from him and I had a little too much to drink the night before and I was feeling a little weird yeah yeah so what does that remind you of that22/79
reframing of what's going on anyway no real power to do it but just to make it a happy story that you can be comfortable with the corporate media yeah it sounds like propaganda doesn't it yeah it's just a reframe a rationalize er of like what's what's you know they have no power over apparently we don't have any power over either all right all right yeah but23/79
that's that that's what Jake Tapper shows up every day to do it is just come out and say yeah this is all normal and that happened because you guys voted for this guy and then this was just the natural consequences of America being great and there being all these bad guys out there right he's just a little bit outside of your head right yeah and just24/79
rationalizing the stuff that nobody has no no none of the people have any actual control over exactly so and and look over there look over there that sort of thing as well right you know see I figure if we can make that jump if you know regular everyday people are popping all the time and I've you know we'd notice that that there are people coming to25/79
this realization not because they've sat on the mountain or that they've you know diverted their life to yoga or whatever I like just regular people like my mum you know my mum she says the most insanely Buddha stuff but she's never spent let this woman have never spent any time studying any sort of gurus or anything like that but there yeah just detaching a little bit26/79
from that that crazy narration in your head gives you a sense of peace it enables you to kind of since the decision-making process coming through you more clearly and and clears the inertia of that at that mental narrative like really if the voice is just arguing all it can do is kind of stall you for a bit you know or make you feel scared or like27/79
sinned for your hormone you through your body or whatever um yeah so it's the same with propaganda wait if we can wake up to the voice inside ahead why can't we wake up to the babbling TV why can't we wake up to their ridiculous freakin billboards or the it's fine to kill the children right it's that can all become just as ridiculous it's amazing how many28/79
parallels there are yeah the if you look at humanity as one one thing if you look at then then shrugging off the stories that have been imposed upon humans by those in power just just saying nah nah we don't believe in that anymore would look exactly like a large-scale version of someone just just shrugging off a go at consciousness yeah and that's what like on an29/79
individual level that's where that's where suffering comes from right we talk about that all the time it's you start you invest a sort of energetic attachment a leaning in a belief in these mental narratives this churning babbling voice in your head and that's that's what causes suffering you believe this resisting little in your head and you let the little in your head become the the director30/79
of the show yeah and and dictate your experience or as with these awakening experiences you just sort of they're just the little just falls off into the background and eventually kind of becomes silent and it becomes irrelevant yeah yeah yeah I can i I didn't see why that can't happen a little little outside your head just becomes irrelevant and everyone just everyone could just go no31/79
no we're not doing that anymore well did you did it happen to you that but like the little inside my head became kind of comical yeah I would catch myself like you know like well it's thought you know they mmmm mm mm s and then are we kind of imitated they all have these weird patterns and stuff and it's just noise it's noise well you know32/79
I used to have depression really bad so my self-talk was really mean to to me to the Tim person right so it was always kind of just going like oh you're such a and so once there was some space behind it though it kind of was like having someone else outside of you leaning in saying those things and it was G God why are you so33/79
mean to that Tim character gosh and just bringing consciousness to that like we talked about all those unconscious processes ultimately dictate behavior bringing consciousness to that to that phenomenon and all its underlying Meccans eventually led to led to the experience dissipating oh the daddy thing to that the letting go of the identity of the personal identity you know can't you see that also becoming a letting34/79
it go because we have these two very strict little identities that you're allowed to be in America this and that's so egoic as well yeah thank god there's so many parallels yeah yes I identify as this I identify as that I identify as a I identify as a blood right and that you can only have these certain beliefs once you're like we've talked about how like35/79
you know why why is it that you can like you can believe in abortion but you're not allowed to believe in guns as well because it's something to do with each other what is your your fiscal policy have anything to do with your opinion on immigrants what is your opinion on immigrants have anything to do with your opinion on whether you should be allowed to smoke36/79
pot because strictly identity identity costumes aren't they right and there's only two of them that's the we do you have to choose one or the other right so if I if personal let's go of the identity and for me that was a letting go of all these channels like I thought of myself was like well all these things I'm not even sure I can't even really37/79
remember but like they would I had a very strong identity that I that I clung to and once the that that left it freed up me not for so much more activities there was so much room for activities I could be whatever I liked I didn't have to be you know I I thought of myself as a very serious and super person who like you know38/79
was kind of fierce and frightening and like that sort of thing not certainly not someone who would dance in the supermarket for example Oh like whatever like you and not someone who could get along with certain groups of people I really like how agile you are and how you could put on all different play all different roles like a lot of people talk about how like39/79
when you make videos and do interviews there they're like I can't believe she's so sweet because the way you write and the way you interact on on social media can be just so fiery just picking up a thing and you play with it and you put it down it's really sweet how you do it well they just kind of like it's like having a dress up40/79
books isn't using things like that but yes so there's no real if we if we started to become more free in ourselves to be able to you know let go of those kind of very strong identity ideas then we would actually able to get along with different groups of people that perhaps we hadn't been able to connect with before and in getting along with people you41/79
you know you naturally have more collaboration more creativity and more room to UM to talk you keep talking about collaboration and collaboration is what the propaganda machine spends a large amount of energy actively sabotaging yes they hate it I mean you know they have their own kind of sick egoic version of collaboration going themselves which you collaborate with them yeah you collaborate with your own destruction42/79
yeah yeah yeah you're with us or you're against this sort of thing but yeah allow them to people to naturally kind of create like the civil rights movement or the Benny sandins movement or whatever there will always throwing saboteurs intelligence agents you know things to tip up natural collaboration every time three the union movement area all of the healthy kind of collaborations of where people have43/79
put aside their desire for competition and just wanted to make things better always sabotaged I am hoover's Jagger Hoover's COINTELPRO program was was exclusively it was explicitly a geared towards preventing collaboration especially the civil rights movement in fact one in six I believe it is um civil rights you know members or whatever were intelligence officers undercover yeah they found that over and over again I was44/79
a recurring story they tried to get like one in six people in me yeah that what they considered the tipping point of being able to sway the needle of like you know and bring bring it back to the status quo no wonder lefties are so bad crazy yeah they've been running psyops on them relentlessly right when one in six of of every person you know that45/79
you have ever tried to eat is a FBI agent or whatever like some sort of fan of some sort of you know CIA whatever then of course there's a natural paranoia a natural healthy paranoia that comes from that and like a yes and that's why they there is its difficulty in trusting each other yeah and I totally understand it yeah no wonder everyone's all most of46/79
us are secret Nazis about to rip off the masking you know human bodies we would we would sense that what one in six of us were freakin sneak secret Nazis like that's that's the way that it goes hmm so yeah I believe sometimes I just cannot believe that Martin Luther King that the FBI I tried to get him to commit suicide yeah and and arguably I47/79
don't I don't know how strong the case is for this but arguably killed him as well someone in there yeah enough to win a civil rights case about it that's what what a but yeah that's documented that we know for a fact that they were actively trying to get him to commit suicide and like we still celebrate Martin Luther King jr. day all the time without48/79
talking about that yeah with that actually just saying it's a national holiday federal holiday bastards who the do you think you are that you can take one of our bright ones like you can take one of our beautiful ones one of the people who was actually leading people you know a leader of light really it still makes me so unbelievably disgusting that's that alone you know49/79
we talked about you can just point out different things like like the Iraq invasion or Vietnam you can just point at that and go that right there is all the evidence you need that these people should not be in control yeah they are disgusting murderers of the the the most bright and beautiful humans like they pick on the best so yeah they really should not be50/79
in charge yeah and that's that that's basically what we're what we're talking about here like if you subscribe to a strict materialist viewpoint then there's no reason to believe that the alpha monkeys will ever stop marching us toward extinction but if you believe that there exists something in us which can spontaneously just puke out all the and and shrug all that off like a heavy coat51/79
on a summer day then it is possible for to make those parasites no longer be in control all right I think it is worth saying to at this point that it is a bodily thing there is there's an intelligence yeah there's no there's an innate intelligence in the body that that doesn't want these parasites thank you thought parasites or these parasites in the world yeah and52/79
that's that's basically what why we hold out hope right it's there's there's just something something built into our being that we don't really understand but which is capable of fighting this parasitism well yeah that he that is health and then his health trying to throw up the bot blocks to get rid of the blocks to health right things a day standing in his path so we53/79
could just at some point at any any day anytime between now and and absolute crunch time we have that ability within us well let's say you know sometimes you hear about people you who are into these stuff in a big way they talk about the collapsing of time hmm because you know when you when you do there are changes in consciousness that do appear to collapse54/79
time and I think it's because that we collapse our resistance to changing in the way we need to change in order to affect change in the world collapse all those all those so conscious knows to being the thing that you know that you need to be in that moment hmm sorry we can do it I'm surely into it yeah yeah there's the the that's that's basically55/79
I mean if we didn't know that we had that there would be no reason of to fight if we didn't know that we had that potential I reckon yeah I would I would just be tenant eating as much chocolate as possible I'd probably take up a morphine habit yeah sedate myself right until the end well that's good maybe your hospice experience I don't know hahaha it56/79
looks fine but smooth the pillar of a dying world right basically you know just love yeah give the world morphine basically yeah those do MERS there's environmental do MERS talk talk about just basically being hospice agents for the planet yeah just making the end as pleasant as possible yeah yeah and and and and if it wasn't so clear that humans have this vast untapped potential I'd57/79
be right there with them um but yeah the the fact that we have it means that miracles can happen and for the towel to be thrown in now for for for the the fight to be over now just doesn't make sense to me why do we have all this potential if we're not meant to use it at some point do you know well I think actually