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Title: Fake News: The Intensification of Information Warfare
Published: 2016-12-19
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27YWPqUWzZw
Title: Fake News: The Intensification of Information Warfare
Published: 2016-12-19
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27YWPqUWzZw
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I am Spiro back this week with another edition of news but roundtable today were going to be taking a look at something that's been in the news quite a bit lately and that is fake news specifically we're going to take a look at and news but exclusive article written by Kurt Nimmo titled proper not evidence of a CI a psychological up on November twenty fourth the2/108
Washington post published a story citing anonymous group proper not story accused the Russians of building a large propaganda operation that work to defeat Hillary Clinton elect in the insurgent candidate Donald Trump it claimed that a large number of alternative news websites are acting as Russian agents do PCE and useful idiots this article it's a great article it it takes a look at modern day propaganda warfare3/108
carried out by governments and intelligence agencies along with censorship %HESITATION this article also takes a closer look at some of proper knots affiliations on their website under related projects now let's bring in our panel as always I'm joined by news but founder and editor in chief Sibel Edmonds and our two special guests this week are Kurt Nimmo senior producer at news but an editor for another4/108
day in the empire and James Corbett of corporate report dot com who is officially on the Russia propaganda seek news list okay now there's a lot to cover on this topic and we've seen the mainstream media promoting this we've seen politicians pushing this narrative and we've seen the alternative media firing back well let's just start with the sources of this information of I want to hear5/108
from Sibel on the Washington post's but first I'd like to find out what Nimmo I've found out in his article about the anonymous site proper not Kurt what was really really was relatively easy to find the stuff I just go there web page a new DR work they are what they call related projects used blanks there and to those links are ones subparagraph fact checkers called6/108
and it is not our connected to see I ate your voice of America as you know voice of America CIA propaganda operation you're but along with star radio free Europe and radio liberty so they're going to them right there on your web page and the second one is our organization called what effect and they're also related to our actually they're they're produced by Tampa Bay times7/108
and the pointer institute yeah they're both donors to the Clinton foundation so you can see how they're tied and I deserve it put these guys on their web page it made it relatively easy for anybody who wants to find out about stuck follow these links do a little research and find out that they're related to the CIA so that's how I found out that they were8/108
gonna give the conclusions psychological operations here that to those links well as many of you may be aware that proper not is the source for this list of %HESITATION Russian propagandists and %HESITATION who fake news sites and Corbett you %HESITATION have the %HESITATION honor I or I should say it of being on that list that what's your take of being pointed out and then being placed9/108
on this list well I did do a video about this so people can check for that sound for my initial reaction to this but I I actually want to push back a little bit against the the conclusions of of the article that you're on the road there Kurt because %HESITATION Gedney related websites on that website %HESITATION the the propaganda website I show a number of links10/108
to number different organizations and we know for a fact that Eliot Higgins of %HESITATION billing cat who is no friend of us and would probably dismiss us as Russian propagate and oversight or useful idiots he's still arm went on record to say on a on Twitter he said just want to note I hadn't heard of proper not before the Washington post's beasts and never gave permission11/108
to them to call Billy cat allies so and I believe there was another one of those related websites that did it specifically denied ever hearing of this website before so just because it is listed as a related website I don't think it necessarily has any relation to whoever's behind this website and I think the next thing we need to do is contact all of those organizations12/108
on that related website list and see if they will about or disavow having any knowledge of of this organization so I I actually tend to think of this proper not organization honestly I think it's I it looks pretty sure are ramshackle it looks pretty amateur in every sense including %HESITATION if you look at their Twitter feed it's full of just I mean ridiculous adolescent %HESITATION you're13/108
kind of flood written that nonsense %HESITATION but marking on my websites and know the poor but hurt Russian lovers and things like that so it really does seem like an amateur operation and there are other tells on for example in November seventeenth they tweeted the %HESITATION forgive my Ukrainian her royaume saliva which apparently means glory to the heroes it's in Cyrillic and everything I mean clearly14/108
there it there seems to be Ukrainian ties to this organization and I think the key point of it is that no one including myself would have even heard of this a website if it wasn't for the Washington post piece and the interesting part of that is that %HESITATION although there have been some are reporters %HESITATION going on Twitter into New York times reporters another saying why15/108
isn't this the story of the urethra things like that %HESITATION I did note that on Twitter there was a buzzfeed editor that second this story has been shopped around to a number of different outlets and we all passed on it so make of that what you well it seems like a Washington post was the only ones that were willing to go pick up this toxic piece16/108
of sludge and %HESITATION there's been a lot of exposes by other organizations Rolling Stone and died in the New Yorker and other but again pretty mainstream outlets that have come out arms saying this is a ridiculous piece of nonsense so on yeah I again I think it's interesting that this is really the Washington post pushing the S. organization that may be a psychological operation not dismissing17/108
the possibility I just don't think we have any real evidence of that at this point I'm I think it me equally well just be a bunch of Ukrainians who are %HESITATION trying to you know create this website shopping around and the Washington post's picked it up and I think that's interesting because of course %HESITATION The Washington Post is now Jeff bellows vehicle and %HESITATION beds those18/108
of course %HESITATION of empathy on fame and Amazon being it deeply tied into the CIA including with a six hundred million dollar a contract on with this guy they have I'll put a link in the show notes for this video of people want to check it about that on that was revealed that a couple of years ago so Bizarros clearly tied in with the U. S.19/108
deep state and I think the Washington post is increasingly reflecting that what whatever it's %HESITATION past associations at this point I think it's becoming more and more of a %HESITATION the kind of like a buzzfeed click bait site that's publishing anything and everything but using the increments for of the Washington post to give some sort of authority to add to the things that they put out20/108
so I I I think that connection for me is at this point more more interesting than what we can or cannot tell from the a proper not website but having said that I think the overall point of this is no doubt true that there is a psychological operation under way it to paint all dissent as Russian propaganda on and that is worrying on a number of21/108
different levels I think quite evidently on because we all know what that means for anyone who is not within the exact narrow spectrum of allowable opinion for that goes from whatever Clinton to Rodney or whatever that is %HESITATION is going to be painted as Russian propaganda and %HESITATION I mean it's just a it's a yeah there's so many there's so many things that are worrying about22/108
that not only the obvious implications for free speech but also as a as a bell with pointing out recently %HESITATION this lumps in a lot of different web sites these are all alternative media and all of them are equally Russian propaganda or whatever and they will all E. equally be treated the same no matter their differences and I think it's exceptionally important for us to understand23/108
that it it's not that there is a class V. alternative media and V. establishment media there are independent people in organizations and web sites within there and that's the point independent I think that's the most important point because just because I'm on this list with whoever else is on that list doesn't mean that I have any relation to whoever is on that list or that I24/108
agree with everyone who is on that list or there's anything identifiable that you can say that we have in common other than where on this list and I think we have to understand and fight for our independence in all of this because once they start creating lists big bags that they can put everyone into it's much easier to censor that if they have to point out25/108
the case for each individual website individually as they come to censor us now Sabella want you had some interesting interactions %HESITATION with The Washington Post someone to get your take on the operation all as Doug James pointed out of each was not the content because it was I really thought it was some kind of fits satire you know it was the satirical piece that %HESITATION but26/108
then I thought that it was not in their satire section so %HESITATION did the most important thing here is the fact that Washington post is the one as a major mainstream media outlet printed this hour and this is the same Washington post that when legitimate government whistleblowers be true three witness says the documents okay goes the cab they don't print okay they don't print weather is27/108
the FBI related a story that is completely backed by other witnesses I documents or is the CIA related stories they don't print plus Washington post has had a very long track record a long even long long before Bessa %HESITATION off off one of them me teacher major outlet and the channel used during the operation mockingbird and this continues throughout the eighties and if you look at28/108
it I forgot the name of this %HESITATION that that that one of the top editors there like the black water he's a son was the attorney who was representing black water when Washington post was writing prosthesis I'm black water them black water became topical are in fact of currently %HESITATION I have a team at news but and we are looking at this hour investigative story and29/108
we have been working on it for the past few weeks but are we went back to the nineteen eighties on one of these cases are related cases has to do with Iran contra and I pulled out this article written by death formerly washingtonpost famous guy who later was handed bunch of awards had got and %HESITATION and when he wrote this article on Iran contra and this30/108
particular airline for example the omit it on a lot of really important names and information that was available in nineteen eighty seven to them okay and this guy was the author of this guy who was posing as a journalist and what happened was it was a completely sanitize article and I checked and I saw what was available on Iran contra at a time in terms of31/108
documents a fax and really really important names you look at this long article yeah and and an interesting call one of those person and pieces were omitted sanitized so how did they do it are will depend got I think is a very good example when you start following his career many he served like that the CI a establishments century amending that's when you get to be32/108
awarded with all these prizes you become a Pulitzer Prize winner you know like Obama winning the Nobel Peace Prize not and then he was promoted you got it better position with New York times then he was given this scholarship %HESITATION or the fellowship position but that one of the universities in the U. even land and so they pay you walk so if you take that and33/108
you contrast that with let's say Gary where okay here's the guy who wrote it really bass the gate of peace with Iran contra ties you see what happens to those reporters right I mean he was expelled from all the outlets he had no job and %HESITATION each one in the attack him so that's one way to measure a publication and that is orders so called journalists34/108
or any terms with these publications the ones that they get to have the awards and go up and constantly brought on CNN to make comments they don't want you to put the X. over Gramm because it's a give and take business when it comes to those so called journalists and the establishment CIA operation especially when they are writing on these major issues weather is intelligence related35/108
exposes or international %HESITATION lest they be has to do with Iraq WMD or if it has to do with some of questionable gas poisoning in in Syria whether it was a site that had done it or not these are the stories when you look at those journalists were placed to write these that's when you say less would it be acts on on on on this publications36/108
and these journalists but of one of the things that really got my attention here are in carts article was the %HESITATION that mentioning will Willis a fact and the and I would like %HESITATION for her to give us a little bit more background on political act and who is the major fund there of political back and and and see how that ties because I believe that37/108
ties a lot of things I need it clarifies a lot of things in terms of ease of psychological %HESITATION our operations that they are conducting and I have to emphasize this it was a good point James I agree with you I think this was a little warm up exercise less put and see what happens out and then of course we have the Senate bill that passed38/108
and the even before the Senate bill it is not a far fetched idea because it now days you don't have to financially support terrorists you can provide them other kind of the temporal by PR support list they eat be say all this was not isis that did this but that was eight was the CIA operation you would be called a FPR arm with prices isis is39/108
a terrorist organization therefore weather is Corbett reporters new spot or X. Y. Z. news organization can be absolutely taken to court they didn't even need to pass new bills because he can't do it and this is a warm up because it's not gonna happen banned all at once you know suddenly they gonna go and round up news organizations saying that you are Russian agents we are40/108
going to see these kinds of actions taken up with with you know smoke slowly slowly and then it will escalate very similar to state secrets privilege being used against whistleblowers and and and getting rid of the cases in court they first started with one case here and then they make sure the media and then give enough coverage than two three and then suddenly we saw this41/108
flawed off using this particular executive order which is not a lot stay secrets privilege but it's being accepted as an absolute in the course federal courts and by Congress same thing here you don't even have to have a specific bill that spells it out in detail currently just under pick your patriot act we can easily easily be accused of providing aiding and abetting deep did that42/108
terror organizations or some kind of terror operations and it's one of those cost less situation that when you go to court you can't even defend yourself how can you prove that you were not promoting isis or or or reflecting them in a positive light think about it you have an attorney you go court and you go to defend against this claim allegation that is being brought43/108
in court saying by doing that or bad or doing that news but you actually ate it isis yeah is nothing you can do to defend yourself is that kind of cost Lassie to Asian BR on there and with that I want to again go back to current on political act and Pierre all meet you are a eBay and incur saps up old European or meet you44/108
are and that and tell us a little bit about what you wrote in this article and why you included that because that's very interesting correct well because he's associated with a couple other fact and in well along with Tampa Bay times a little bit as so I mean easy bake founder and as you noted that there's another aspect about him as well he also owns it45/108
propaganda radio station in the Ukraine so long he's also involved with that aspect of spread propaganda in Europe all along with NATO and the western press so well known beyond that I really don't know a whole lot about it you know well the reason I'm bringing this up now James and I have covered this whole issue of then at the time it came out initially down46/108
isn't okay you know we did our part we put out outtake and our analysis with Edward Snowden and the release of those documents or not releasing those documents and the whole concept that behind this organization knew of the are posing as alternative believe me or not you back I'm surprised they were not on this list that would have gained them a little bit more legitimacy in47/108
all when they want to do the limited hangout operation what you do is you actually put in a few news organization that actually is on the other side to give people the feel that they are alternative by Pierre Omidyar this billionaire E. started interest that posing as an alternative publication and hired doubt journalists who claim to be alternative journalists such as Glenn Greenwald and they are48/108
and and is even more interesting than that for me especially as a former whistleblower because what happened here was Glenn Greenwald and this %HESITATION producer woman Laura quiet day were in possession of five hundred thousand plus documents all Edward Snowden documents okay be established and back then you were not use but we were boiling frocks pose that some of this information contained in Edward Snowden's documents49/108
actually implicated Pierre Omidyar and his organization paint how he is our other organization because Pierre Omidyar has been working with the CIA with the U. S. government okay in fact Pierre only yards peak power was the organization that blocked a week few weeks finding and they said we not gonna transferred the splines okay so this he's a man he's a billionaire known as you as an50/108
enemy of whistle blowers and he had known of joint partnership with the US government intelligence agencies as such as the CIA and worst notice any fact Glenn Greenwald while he was calling me names he actually confirmed it that yes there were some documents that that pertain to PayPal and Pierre Omidyar will appear albeit young men he got Glenn Greenwald quartet million dollar a year two million51/108
dollars a year he also got the ownership of those documents so to this date for example none of this information included in Edward Snowden documents have been released well how can it be released because the guy was in Bab who owes Edward Snowden's documents will almost land green wall well he owns the documents so %HESITATION neat deal this is this is this is when things get52/108
more complicated because of people like to look at things as black and whites and I know he endured a lot of the tax James then he started saying don't ride away except you know whatever is the story given to you and and we know that there is this you desire or having heroes and I think it's about time for us to have another one usually beget53/108
heroes popping up every four or five years so this is around the time that you gonna have a new hero %HESITATION Edward Snowden as heroes gonna be retired and they gonna bring another hero but look at the facts on the ground look at it carefully and don't jump into conclusion but now with this fake news issue or an AM with your article eating this comes to54/108
be topical because here's the guy Glenn Greenwald's owner Edward Snowden's owner the documents owner Pierre Omidyar billionaire who also is in the propaganda business in Ukraine and also he is involved with with with what you put here as linking to all this fake news phenomena James yes and I will refer you prefer people back to our expose on fee Omidyar Greenwald Snowden connection and %HESITATION that55/108
was secrets for sale there Greenwald NPR NSA connection I'm from a couple of years ago where we talk about that we talked about the PayPal's prosecution of the PayPal fourteen that were staging the cyber sitting against the wikileaks are you listening on thing we talked about the PayPal cofounder along with the many are Max Levchin beating on the record with Bilderberg Charlie Rose by supporting NSA56/108
surveillance %HESITATION we had sal Gambian echo what one of the principal investment partners in the Omidyar network who happens to also listed on the board of global and which is a software company and in which both the Omidyar network and %HESITATION Booz Allen Hamilton are major shareholders Booz Allen Hamilton of course being since though the far former employer and %HESITATION Philip Odeon one of the Booz57/108
Allen Hamilton board members also sits on the board of directors of global and and the Omidyar network in Booz Allen Hamilton are major investors in an incentive on the connections are numerous on too numerous to ignore so that is all absolutely documented their end on very worrying but let me push back again credit where credit's due %HESITATION Greenwald wrote an excellent piece about how absolutely putrid