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Title: Dugin: Master of Chaos & the NWO Made in Russia? An Interview with Wahid Azal
Published: 2017-03-28
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rj6Aj6n-HM
Title: Dugin: Master of Chaos & the NWO Made in Russia? An Interview with Wahid Azal
Published: 2017-03-28
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rj6Aj6n-HM
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everyone I'm Spiro Agnew's but today we're going to present an interview and the topic of discussion is Alexander Dugan Mister Dugan is a controversial Russian political figure Dugan has been called the most dangerous philosopher in the world his geo political vision is known as the Eurasian union what is do against political philosophy well according to do again the three existing models are dead and they are2/78
liberalism both left and right communism including both Marxism and socialism along with social democracy and the third being fascism so Alexander Dugin offers the fourth political theory Alexander Dugan has been called the brain of Putin as well as the Rasputin of Putin here to discuss the man behind the ideas is news but researcher and analyst Aly siete who's based in Belgium and his guest who is3/78
based in Germany why he'd as all as always an independent scholar and political commentator he also contributes for counter punch and press TV as a result recently wrote an article for counterpunch titled Dugan's occult fascism in the hijacking of left anti imperialism and Muslim anti solipsism gentleman take it away hello Mister what needs yes Iraq has to be on your shirt today thank you very much4/78
of I was very interested in in in digging into their gonna slightly more than what's been available in the media and %HESITATION we hear a lot of things %HESITATION on who the man is there and then and what is goals are or at and it's very easy either it's if the either or situation so either he's portrayed as a fascist or the savior of Russia so5/78
I would like to get a more nuanced view on the man himself and maybe his ideology at and what drives and the I think you're ideally positioned to do so as as also I think you are the head of the US with Ukraine Germany so I think you'll be more familiar with where he's coming from in the us go logical sense Alexander do game is is6/78
a basically a product of the post Soviet era I mean he is ideas were percolating basically during the last few years arm of the U. S. SR you came through are the book bohemian %HESITATION swamp of Moscow and Saint Petersburg are in the nineteen eighties and quickly found himself within the far right and occultist seen simultaneously for example he became a member of a club palm7/78
yet a party in the late eighties arm which later by is that it was revealed to be a KGB front the palm yeah was a revival by ultra nationalists of black hundreds who should be in a are a kind of a white New York fascist or fascist I'll paramilitary during the Russian Civil War and down do get found himself in these groups he felt himself and8/78
in various cultures groups were part you know basically combining %HESITATION Satan is a national socialism together aren't there's an element of forest to that period of years okay it's like I think you know we we should be fair to the man that he was you know he was young and impressionable our but he got into a lot of trouble with the law and and and the9/78
Soviet authorities at the time arm is father apparently was a a high ranking lieutenant colonel in the security establishment of at the time and as a result of do inside activism at the Soviet activism are was demoted from his job much the Whitney basically drove out of the are out of that particular department of of flat coke but Soviet security in post them somewhere else in10/78
a falling out with his father apparently over this %HESITATION during the period as the Soviet Union was collapsing in nineteen ninety ninety one period are yeah I wouldn't do again made various contacts with the new rights and doesn't neo fascist groups of western Europe are particularly we've side there the circle of violating the bin laden in France are who is the one of the most eminent11/78
new rights %HESITATION figures in Europe and has been since the late nineteen sixties when the Soviet when the Iron Curtain came down with Soviet Union finally imploded at the end of nineteen ninety one rather than rejoicing over the back like many calls third nationalist dissidents of the of the former USSR I do confounding so basically lamenting this %HESITATION collapse of the USSR and you know you12/78
wasn't in the company of people like and let the good news that was actually that the that the theoretician of Eurasian summer that eminent academic dissident that was in and out of the gulag system in the former USSR would develop is very kooky idea of Eurasian assignment it would almost neo fascist ideas I am once the USSR went down %HESITATION basically these very nationalist forces who13/78
have in many ways been instrumental for the collapse of the Soviet Union suddenly found themselves in that position to paint wanted to revive it again and that's when our you can basically start a climbing through the ranks of the new Russian federation system within our various political circle both communist and nationalist circles certainly yeah it basically advocated for the fall of the Soviet ideology but yes14/78
it was once he was gone he lamented it was inventing the actual full of the ideology or the condition the country was it for example the condition I think we do get it's more the case that he lamented that the condition of the country was and that they can you know that that the red empire fire in the red cloak have had basically imploded I did15/78
so that was more a nationalist sentiment behind that it and it was pretty brutal I might also occurred to me as well an influence on us territory not exactly could just maybe explain form for the people who may not be so accustomed to these terms that what actually urate duration isn't it what actually is that the whole concept behind Eurasian is well the concept of Eurasians16/78
about me it's very difficult to pin down what do good because it kinda ships back support between his definition but after basic onset your ratios of geography or topographical geography is the entire Asian European wild about so all of Asia all of Europe is technically a pipe demography subject books of geography Eurasia now you raised an Islamist ideology is the you know ask the theory that17/78
was formulated by Grumman that %HESITATION is stacking of Russia he's kind of the heart old Eurasia so that Russia incense all has any corner what I hesitate to use this word but if it fits I manifest destiny in this entire region did you political Giglio color of the region I mean it was also to it as the heartland in many to political yeah it's interesting that18/78
you break this because the whole concept the geopolitics is Anne are an idea that was gone basically presented in in the early part of the twentieth century by a British our political scientist by the name of my kindle who aren't separated the world into this year's of Eurasia and I'm glad you know that Eurasian our empire being that you know that the empire land the client19/78
you being applied empire of the sea and all make you didn't really have that much influence during his own time on %HESITATION British imperial policy Dugan has latched on to some of the kindreds ideas with those of Grumman let and formulate it is very almost not a canyon our idea of the of the destiny of Russia or do you region F. part it almost I comically20/78
harkens back to George Orwell's nineteen eighty four respects it's it's you know someone asked us Dutch wonder what it was like a joke on the part of the game because he sees you know this is stuff that you read on the pages of fiction and his idea of Eurasia is a very totalitarian %HESITATION yeah when he defines the totalitarian ethno your list which is not exactly21/78
multiculturalism is very equivocal reading do get you know you got hurt really return with a five to go on the one hand he says he rejects the whole notion of biological races so you know do you know he says that you know it's for political theory has nothing to do with you know these crude racist ideas of the Nazis of what their industry political theory and22/78
Eurasian ism is kinda synonymous right over it yeah member it is nothing to worry that the do gooders formulating %HESITATION his theory of Eurasian is of their synonymous now %HESITATION all the other hand you know Dugan has latched on to this very %HESITATION dubious theory that was put out by these new writers are back in the nineteen seventies called ethno pluralism that ethnic pluralism is a23/78
kind of a way for %HESITATION more sophisticated collection of fashions ought to circumvent accusations of racism so ethnic or religious as advocated by the likes of people like our our the bill is that you know they will armed champion the rights of minorities throughout the world's and cultures again champion cultural diversity and championed the integrity of cultures around the world but I'm Dave reject and you24/78
don't maybe rightfully so on on some intellectual level I use I attempt by you liberalism or western liberalism to create this kind of a melting pot all cultures where everything becomes kind of a at that unit vocalists such but ethnically realism doesn't you know by the same token even when its champion intercultural they can take ground a few of cultures will also I say things like25/78
if you know that all people of other cultures should stay in their culture yeah you know cultures are like islands on unto themselves how does do can view western European culture as opposed to Eurasian culture are they are they equal are they still others were on the part of the same group work so what is the criteria to you if it was not a good thing26/78
this is the question you equip equates quiet walk run is writing about not just in the poor political theory on the one hand arm you know don't Slavic in Russian our definitions of open you can seem to set the slogan Russian people as a completely different species right what what the theory of Eurasian there's a that that that you can narrative from people like that a27/78
lot and I'm done semiotics upload postulates that Russians knew the Slavic people and all of the European people are once you get there are unitary race I had a question based on on biology you know what it is is what I'm getting the impression what does that mean although there's a lot of equivocation not respect %HESITATION alternately does come down to that yeah okay so so28/78
where does Eurasia and and where does Eurasian isn't so so so you pick as the being and because it seems to me that the will of the world is your ratio but yeah I mean the prettiest it predict what's causing category is is is the Eurasians for example its foundations of geopolitics which I'm only exists in summer is an English translation what probably what it is29/78
scariest books ever written arm he will say that Eurasia is interrogation landmass but then in in some of his later public public is up this yeah publication of his in German arm he will exclude all of Asia you know whether to be China Japan Korea and India from that Eurasian definition are you should be at the moment the concept of Eurasia is the one the ferry30/78
hearts ashram puts what do you think your personal both which is basically from about bloody Bostock list but horizontally is Eurasia and this is the working definition of jewelry Eurasia that giving is presently working although previously ignored Eurasia also included a whole of Asia you know I mean he was for example Ian the foundation of geopolitics he advocates for Russia to dismember China and for Russia31/78
to them pick over Mongolia Tibet commensurate as part of its Eurasian empire ugh who want one aspect of this I had a I was interested in Islam well researching some of this orthodox ideology here I realize that one of their goals because because of the group he belongs to use the old old Russians are all believers yeah the Old Believers so is coming from a very32/78
traditional separate kind of sex or called you could call it or was it looks Christianity era I I read that they were actually you encouraged to go to general orthodox Christian church but they maintain a kind of a separation between them and and the general masses of orthodox Christians whether researching I came across that one of their main goals is to actually re conquer Constantinople as33/78
as and who see how yes of yes my question is how are the Turks okay with these it needs to be pointed out that I do get what Clinton was actually in our car are during the coup in July last year and he was meeting with the parents check party of %HESITATION that none of the bottom part you see apparently arm he was sent by by34/78
Putin in support of this is the rumor there's no way to prove his arm to kind of smooth out the talks that were going on between now and the Kremlin and uncle at the time and this is where the crew house which you know makes me somewhat question what really happened there our last July yeah mysterious it's very mysterious would describe agreed there at the very35/78
time this this psalm polled the do gooders in his Eurasian plus a kid you're very up front at least in Russia our did their ultimate aim is to take back Constantinople are to Christianity you know the Dutch TV station that he is sorry about that lead actor ports called Sartre it's our grads to hold that Slavonic or Slavic name per constant look at the the talking36/78
about invading Turkey and taking back I guess yet or who would with the fact that may be the president of Turkey where it would would really hurt the church which was wrongfully converted into a mosque in the first place are they listed talking about like a zoo %HESITATION invasion no about a different country well they have never actually set it in those terms but you know37/78
since I mean when you throw two and two together since two good believes that all out a pop apocalyptic global war and that you know one of the aims of pope of the Eurasian plots used kick back Constantinople vigilant means that eventually you get foresees a time where in Russia would debate Turkey and take Constantinople by purchase which then it raises the question why do we38/78
have all these left wing as well as far right parties in Turkey making alliances with with the dubious makes absolutely no sense now it doesn't make sense from a geopolitical point of view immediately but it makes sense at least from the point of your Dugan I'll do this a cult praxis our debt BR implementing you know even we can all sides were quite all sides against39/78
each other in person clients to ultimately make this happen so my view is that you know that the presence of New Guinea and even Russia in the Middle East while it's good in the sense that they're helping the Syrians brought up these check your rewards are it's not a very good thing are toward a long term there's many reasons for this one of which was that40/78
you should mention about that Dugan's biographies that do get its may change longstanding connections to scientists our courts like all in all pretty he's openly anti Zionist though I mean I don't know that's just what I'm saying is what he said are you didn't wanna Dugan's closest friends of twenty years general by the name of are a big girl asking asking I is Russian emigrate to41/78
Israel Israeli citizen far right aren't supporter of hobbyists philosophy so this is a far right Israeli politics as you can get and dial Eskin was well I'll make notorious of the pocket he participated in this ritual qualquer some Yitzhak Rabin are this ritual kabbalistic chorus not connect via the within thirty days are saw this last mission of ripping I'm so you're talking about some really nasty42/78
players good friends but that he is also known to all have %HESITATION in direct connections to the Hobart movement of Bob shirts I have the you know from one point of view just makes no sense you know it these people are conscious and they're espousing anti semitism amongst our own people how quickly scientists make you have these connections with these people well this seems to be43/78
a process that is happening currently with are a lot of the right wing %HESITATION you know the white which side's ideas of that they're making comic because of these factors around the world it's very strange also that that he was actually thrown out of the Moscow university for for inciting %HESITATION for me inciting people to kill actually in in the Donbass area of Ukraine yeah premature44/78
but the more I read on the more he's connected to two to the people and unless you tell that are fighting the Russians so it's like he has tentacles on both sides and I don't like this that's part of your call praxis that is part of a group that is part of medical practice because he's the supporting people did the Nazis in Donbass that which we45/78
everyone knows they're not you to me is not a the secret or anything %HESITATION fighting the Russians %HESITATION in Ukraine and then he's also supporting uselessly thrown out of the Moscow university for inciting people to kill kill the he actually said kill kill kill this goes back even to his name's Tom as a member of palm yet nineteen eighties Dugan was actually expelled from parking permit46/78
because of accusations of being a pro Zionist well this was the ultranationalist totally anti semitic Carla group that now we know was %HESITATION I properly did you do you have to drive but as infiltrate yeah so he will say here you spell petty semantic rhetoric months wonderful people but then he maintains close contact like the basket of commodities so he's really nasty settlers I this time47/78
%HESITATION union think last night to to a book I kind of read the beginnings of it %HESITATION it really went in to help you started %HESITATION and circles he began with it seemed very a cult and that the destiny angle I want to get into because you know your article in counterpoint show up was also based on on on on his occult beliefs %HESITATION speak more48/78
about that certainly think Ross hurt it's a very good you see subject like I I want no easy Satanists or like people aren't saying that he's an occultist were already magician or what what what what is going on or is it or is it just rumors not all of my belief is that Alexander Dugan is saying is a sickness that he's using Orthodox Christianity as kind49/78
of a guy on a platform to mask Israel beliefs and intentions any mean at like a satanist like Alister Crowley you're yeah arrest you could call a culture it's sickening yeah occult sickness I mean this is coming from angle of what in western occultist millions are called and left hand but with Alexander Dugan I mean for example in his court political theory there is a very50/78
controversial appendix at the end of the book which is basically the guiding thesis of the of the whole book but he's made it only in appendix and it's called the metaphysics of chaos where he he argues arm using high Gary in language our philosophical language of both climatology I bet that chaos in this new age is eparch daunting arm ease basically displacing the logos now put51/78
into theological language that is like making declared that Satan is not displacing got as the master of the universe armed and this is very problematic for any up person above will be ever have a tradition at Purdue going to be speaking because this our is is is quite troubling in that but this also echoes are the kind of belief systems of opal you know the chromium52/78
Othello I'm gonna get a lot of the child and Alastair Crowley you know proclaiming himself to be that the messiah of this era yeah this is all are quite troubling troubling stuff the book itself you know when one reads it quite carefully it's very odd there's lots of contradictions and paradoxes in this book it's it's I it's more like you know philosophical poetry but really guys53/78
taking ideas from everywhere mainly from a lot of national socialist and fascist thinkers of the last century to basically throw very strong all together and soon our but that that appendix which incident magnets Persian translations parts which runs like has been omitted completely knocked about this product that I find that very suspicious because I came across this fact as well that is that his his narrative54/78
is kind of aimed at specific audiences and its treat as such to to get maximum appeal from that would so for example I %HESITATION I came across his snow you to channel but explaining his arm Serbian translation of the fourth political theory and had additions in it which show where Serbian specific and appealing to their the Serbian nationalistic tendencies and feelings are it was very a55/78
lot to do with death and the occultist wheels yeah yeah I was a bit shocked by it as well NATO did leave you death as as kind of a goal in itself but this is very hard to Gary and this is this is this is far where one has to be very careful with you giving Heidegger's entire philosophy of being his inside ontology is really a56/78
philosophy of being to death whereas you know the transcendental philosophies of other existentialist from traditional civilizations like for example Iran or eat you know even the East India is a being beyond that you know that the being of man is just transitory state within this material world and that if it progresses through multiple worlds if you believe in reincarnation back again but not with Heidegger into57/78
being or DA cy being there arm eased basically defined as as the material being of an individual in the spatial temporal world of matter and then it gets so you always have to say angst of death so it is basically the human condition is a constant situation of being to death and about this is this is how one needs to contextualize I do Dugan's fascination with