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Title: CIA, Media & The Mind-Controlled Opposition (Full Video)
Published: 2018-02-22
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZV_Xm7bsgo
Title: CIA, Media & The Mind-Controlled Opposition (Full Video)
Published: 2018-02-22
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZV_Xm7bsgo
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[Music] in this edition of probable cause news bud founder and editor Sibel Edmonds is joined by her guest Douglas Valentine who was the author of several books he has lectured and appeared on TV and radio talk shows testified as an expert witness served as a documentary film consultant and worked as a private investigator his most recent book is the CIA as organized crime how illegal operations2/156
corrupt America and the world welcome to the show well welcome to our show that it's been a long time since you and I had connected which was I believe more than a decade ago and I haven't read your recent book but your book operation Phoenix is one of those books that I consider one of very few books that I consider timeless because I'm going to get3/156
into that we're going to talk about operation Phoenix and and we're going to talk about its timelessness meaning it was not something that took place in a vacuum and it was over you know a lot of things people the media the academics they make it as if oh you know once upon a time we did some bad things and those were not good things they were4/156
really really bad and there was Viren he realized they were bad we stopped doing it and and we gonna challenge we're gonna challenge that notion and a good starting point for that is going to be getting into delving into operation Phoenix and your book but before we get into that there has been a new interesting documentary mini documentary that was released just a couple of months5/156
ago called wormwood and and this is again one of those CIA operations that was a hush-hush case for a long time still today many people consider that a conspiracy theory and one of the things I asked you when I emailed you I said have you watched the documentary series and if so we would be very interested and I know our viewers will be very very interested6/156
in hearing your take your observations your feedback on operation that that was depicted in this and the case that was depicted in this mini documentary considering that you're one of the top experts with the CIA operations with the book you put out a long long time ago I think it's going to be invaluable for for our viewers to hear about your take because many people out7/156
there they are talking about it as a masterpiece as as 100% factual and we want to find out whether it is so what were the shortcomings etc now with that please tell us about your observation and feedback on wormwood well I watched word wood with my wife Alice and who helped I'd been married with two for forty years and she's been through all my adventures and8/156
research with me so and we we pretty much agreed on what it was about which you know is reassuring but it's certainly not meant to be a documentary in the sense of being absolutely factual it's a dramatization the way you see commercials that say this is a dramatization you know and and they're actually actors who are arbitrate real people and stuff like that and and this9/156
documentary although it does reveal some very interesting things is not it does not even pretend to be absolutely factual it's very much a show about Erik Olson quest to find out what happened to his father Frankel's and Frankel's and died under mysterious circumstances in late November I believe it was no 28 1953 he plummeted from a hotel window from the Statler Hotel in New York City10/156
and fell by 13 floors to his death at the time the New York City Police Department did an investigation and they originally called it a homicide because at the time of his death a CIA officer named lashbrooke Robert laughs ro who's actually in the in the hotel room with Olson and so they figured the cops bein cops and always looking at the obvious explanation just you11/156
know automatically assumed that this guy would crash through a window and fell to his death and there was somebody in the room at the time then that guy killed him the things quickly got intriguing because lashbrooke was a CIA officer and Frank Olson was although not in the CIA was working with the CIA in a very top-secret program which involved biological warfare weapons and their distribution12/156
so that they could be dropped on foreign countries like say Cuba or North Korea and in fact a few years earlier a couple of captured American soldiers who had been captured in North Korea and claimed that they were part of a biological warfare program and had actually dropped biological warfare weapons on North Vietnam and it was assumed as the investigation developed at the time well let13/156
me backtrack the CIA quickly intervened and the NYPD changed its is initial investigation and called it a suicide that occurred under unusual circumstances because the CIA from its inception has in agreement with all the major metropolitan police departments that if there's anything any crime that's committed and it involves in any way the CIA that took your Police Department will defer to the CIA and whatever way14/156
the CIA wants that particular crime written up they'll do it so so the lolly all the evidence was group you know on behalf of the CIA the the New York City Police Department just changed all its reports and and swept this thing under the rug and and there at late it was forgotten for 20 years the Olson family Frank Olson family was told that he had15/156
committed suicide that he had jumped out of this window that he was distraught and the family accepted them for 20 years and then in 1974 Seymour Hersh did an investigation into CIA domestic operations I'm not exactly sure who his sources were his source at the time may actually have been William Colby the director of Central Intelligence who knew that certain scandals certain information was about to16/156
be released and wanted to do what was you know perform was control what's called a controlled release of information and Seymour Hersh may have been the conduit for releasing certain amounts of information without actually getting into all the details all the dirty details but that information came out it was called the release of the family jewels and among the things that were released at that time17/156
was the fact that this that this guy Frank Olson had actually been dosed with LSD a week before he committed suicide this was a shock to the Olson family and they immediately instituted some kind of legal action and the CIA brought them into the growth of the Olson family including Eric who is now a young man around 25 or 30 years old his mother and his18/156
siblings brought them to Langley headquarters told them they were very sorry that Frank had been dosed with LSD that there was nothing to ferry about it it was just what they called a terrible mistake and they gave the family seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars that made them sign of non-disclosure statement saying that they would never pursue any more legal action Eric Olson and this is19/156
what wormwood is about wasn't satisfied with them and over the next four years he conducted his own private investigation to find out what really happened to his father and wormwood the documentary which takes place in six episodes purports to chronicle Eric's investigation and all the things that he uncovered and it concludes in in the 6th and climatic episode with an interview that the producer director conducts20/156
with Seymour Hersh which is very interesting because throughout the documentary Eric and I and the producer presents a case that Frankel's and did not commit suicide that he was not distraught because he had had a bad trip but that he was actually murdered by the CIA because he was about to reveal details of the CIA's biological warfare program and the fact that it had used biological21/156
weapons in North Korea and this that he was a security risk and then the whole idea that he was given LSD and then he had a bad trip that he got distraught and jumped out of a window was merely a cover story that was used to distract people from the actual truth which was that he was given LSD as an interrogation method to find out what22/156
his intentions were while actually being interrogated under the influence of LSD he had revealed his intentions which were that he was going to reveal the details of the CIA's biological and the military's biological warfare program and that he was then sent to New York City and isolated and situation and circumstances were created in which he was isolated in from his family a cover story was concocted23/156
and eventually on November 28th two hitmen were brought to this room the room that he was in in the hotel Statler and they bopped him on the head broke the window and threw him out it was very interesting in the in this sixth and final episode because the producer quizzed Seymour Hersh and and said well mr. Hersh you have said for the past 40 years that24/156
it was all about LSD and it wasn't about murder and her she called him home to mom he's a very arrogant guy you've never you've never it was like the first time I ever witnessed him on TV and he said well I know things that you don't know I operate in an industry spirit world that you have no idea about and Annie was just like the25/156
epitome of a pompous the most pompous president I've ever seen it was it's almost like viewing the documentary is is worthwhile just to see Seymour Hersh in his natural state frank was somebody who has secrets and he was dangerous I can't tell you more Eric had put him on the spot and and he said as a result he had gone back to his CIA sources and26/156
one of his sources had gone into the and this is what her says in the documentary one of his sources in order to find out the truth about what happened to Frank Olson went into the CIA's sanctum sanctorum its deepest darkest Walt the one that's buried somewhere in Langley and that only the most trusted and valued CIA officers have access to it and somehow this guy27/156
got in there and within two days came back to CIA - Seymour Hersh and told him that yes in fact he had seen a document that said that the CIA had murdered Frankel's and of course the producer said well let's see the document you know show us the evidence and her said well I can't show you the evidence and I can't even tell you the name28/156
of the person who revealed this to me because I have to protect my source and I can't you know if I was to reveal this guy's name and I'll show you the document and nobody would ever trust me again hey kind of smart you know I mean see him I'll have to see Mars has a permanent smirk on his face anyway and you know because he29/156
knows all this stuff that we don't know and it was just excruciating it was painful to watch this guy say these things we're poor Erik Olson had spent 40 years of his life trying to find out the truth about what happened to his father and her sling dangled the truth in front of him and said I'm not going to tell you them you know just take30/156
my word for it and that is how were word ends but I should add the documentary was incomplete and it does not tell everything about the story in particular an author named Hank al Morelli did a lot of research into the Frank Olson case and he actually identified through his own sources the two individuals who actually came into that hotel room at 2:30 in the morning31/156
and bopped Frank Olson on him through about the window and Alber Ali wrote a book called terrible mistake and he identified these people the identities of these people are not mentioned or revealed in in this wormwood documentary they do however dramatize the event and they have to kind of mafia look at guys come into the room at 2:30 in the morning they're never identified they got32/156
Chesterfield coats and slouch hats and they're very dark looking guys and the CIA officer who was in the room at the time Brawner lashbrooke locks himself in the bathroom and opens the door to the hotel room Frank Olson is at the time sleeping in a bed and these two guys walk in and do the dirty teeth but they are never identified at work would but this33/156
fellow this other author hangout really identifies in him identifies the two people in his book terrible mistake he identifies them as an informant for the bureau of narcotics named Pierre Lafitte and a Corsican drug trafficker named Francois spirito so it was kind of bizarre to me knowing all the details of the case that I know and knowing that at least once you know one author has34/156
identified these people that they are their names and identities were not revealed in the documentary so between Seymour Hersh teasing Eric Olsen which I thought was rather cruel and Eric Olsen and his producer not revealing the actual evidence that has been revealed about the case I found the documentary very disappointing and I think it would be interesting for people who know nothing at all about it35/156
and who are interested in in a dramatization and who are interested in how this Odyssey how Eric Olsen's Odyssey actually destroyed its life it's a very very poignant story you know people might find it interesting for that reason but in terms of revealing anything so soon enough about the case or about the CIA's MK ULTRA program which was its LSD testing program it's woefully incomplete I36/156
believe you contacted Eric Olson from wormwood for some reason I remember that is that correct and if you did what was the outcome of the yeah I talked to him many many years ago he actually persuaded prosecutors in New York City to reopen the case and that was around the year 2000 forgive me if I don't have the exact date but it was certainly around that37/156
time one of the reasons they took the case and reopened it as a homicide investigation is that Eric Olson had his father's body exhumed and that's when they discovered that he had been bopped on the velvet on the back of his head he had plummeted from a 13-story window but there was no way to explain this the bruising on the back of his head so they38/156
felt that that was probably the prosecutors in New York City felt that it was probable cause to reopen the case as a murder investigation and one of those prosecutors is actually featured in the documentary you know the documentary is very carefully edited and this prosecutor does not mention the fact that evidence was presented to them that Lafite Pierre Lafitte and Francois spirito were the murderers that39/156
is not mentioned in the case well that the prosecutor says in the documentary is that he did not have enough material evidence to bring anybody you know especially anybody in the CIA to trial and he felt very bad about it but um I will leave your listeners to you know pursue this on their own because it's it's a very complicated case and there's a lot of40/156
things that you know I mean we can talk about it all day but I highly recommend that they be down marilla's book a terrible mistake and which has many many of the details that are not discussed in in the book wormwood I also write an awful lot about the CIA's MKULTRA program am i hope this strength of the wolf which is about the old bureau of41/156
narcotics which provided cover for the safe houses from the CIA to surreptitiously those people with LSD the the Bureau of our product provided agents and safe houses for the safe CIA to conducted zfk ultra program and they did that for close to 15 years and that's something that I'd feature and that book the strength of the wolf so you know it's it's drama it's entertainment but42/156
it's incomplete well I'm going to get the book I'm definitely going to read it but let's go back to CIA seymour hersh oops let's talk about that a little bit I don't know do you want to go first because I have my own first-hand experiences from years ago based on dozens of meetings lunches dinners you know all that but let's start with you and then let's43/156
compare notes on this oops CIA connections political person and when I write about the CIA I make sure to put the CIA into a political context much the way fill a jaded I don't know if your your listeners know about Philip Agee but Philip ageing was a CIA officer who wrote a book about his experiences in the CIA and he revealed the names of hundreds of44/156
CIA officers and he would see a awful lot of damage in all his throughout his career as far as I can tell Seymour Hersh it's never revealed the name of the CIA officer there's never been there have been scandals and there have been expose but he never discusses discusses the CIA in political context like Phil Agee did Phil Agee called the CIA capitalism's invisible army CIA45/156
and he put it intentions into a political context so that when he would discuss the CI conducting an operation in a particular country whether it was Iraq or Ecuador or something like that he would put the the CIA's operation into political context you know saying that that they're backing right-wing governments they're backing fascists against leftists that they're that they're the CIA has a particular ideology and46/156
that like any organization it's a mandate the very first existence is based in an ideology and in entire 45 years of his career writing about the CIA Seymour Hersh never puts the CIA in that kind of a context it's always as if the things that the CIA are doing are happening in a political vacuum it's good guys versus bad guys the America is good and even47/156
though the CIA does dastardly things now and then and and he talks about these dastardly things and he it's always in a way that justifies everything that the CIA does because it's preserving America there's always a this sub context of what Hearst says and this is what makes him so beloved of the American bourgeoisie of the especially in the upper middle class leftist people that form48/156
his fan base it reassures them that the you know despite exposing CI misdeeds he's always rationalizing what it does and he's never explaining what it does in political terms or ideological terms and it makes it safe for people to say well thank God a guy like CIE more hirtius LT reporting on the CIA and we can know about its the terrible things it's doing but he49/156
never names a CIA officer his sources are always anonymous and even though he's apparently the CIA's nemesis who's always revealing its deepest darkest secrets people in the CIA keep talking to him which tough it's beyond belief because the first thing anybody in the CIA in a position of power is asked every week is have you spoken to a journalist this week they strap these kind of50/156
people to a lie-detector you know anybody who's involved with any kind of important information and they and they say you know the person question adds up you've been talking to up to a journalist and this is what they do it's what the CIA security does and yet somehow for 45 years CIA more Hersh's and evaded CIA security and he's still able to penetrate like with this51/156
work with case he's still the sources that can give it to the CIA's deepest darkest vault in a day in two days and come out with its deepest darkest secrets and nobody in CIA and CIA security has a whiff that this is happening which let me tell you as somebody who has had the CIA on his ass for the last thirty years it's impossible unless you52/156
actually have a weight broke well with the CIA unless they actually know that you're doing these things and so anyway I have my doubts and for many reasons including I went to college for English literature and I studied literary criticism the way Hirsch writes his articles as I would explain to focus merely on the sensational aspects of the CIA and there's always there's always a CIA53/156
source that he's interviewing who says something like well when the what for example when the war on terror began after 9/11 he'll interview a CIA guy and of course the guys anonymous it will say well you know what we have to do is we have to take off the gloves Seymour we have to get we have to be tough and we don't want to do it54/156
but we got to get down and dirty we got to be like the Israelis we got alert we got to go back to the things that we used to do before Congress put the you know put handcuffs on us you got to get we got to take a hand console off and you know because the terrorists are out there we got on the field just say55/156
that this is the the cut the sub context in every one of Hersh's articles about the CIA is that and it's what is reassurance in the upper middle-class bourgeoisie that love him informed his fan base is that the CIA is out there doing the dirty work that it's necessary to preserve our freedoms and now he is the sub context of every one of his articles and56/156
it drives me nuts even though he he reveals scandals it's nothing new to the public I mean everybody knows the CIA is all rotten bunch of crooks who who torture and murder and eat babies for breakfast you know I mean doesn't everybody knows this is what the CIA does but see this Hersh tells the same story over and over and over again he's been doing it57/156
for 45 years and the CIA is still shooting along without ever having suffered any kind of problem at all as a result of any his reporting and I would say the same thing goes for Glenn Greenwald and the intercept and the nation and Mother Jones and all the other supposedly heterodox achill investigative journalist ik magazines and news outlets that exist around the country they they never