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Sirius Disclosure
Published: 2013-12-23
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua0MMXJl3FM
I work principally as a conceptual artist. I work for all the major defense contractors. I work for General Dynamics, Lockheed, Northrop, McDonald Douglas, Boeing, Rockwell International, Honeywell, Allied Signal Corporation. It was a very enjoyable, very lucrative business. I went into college in 1967 when I was at Westover Air Force Base, had this Gilbert Science Company 80 power, reflected telescope and everything. One night before I was
going to go to bed, took the dog out on a bathroom and stuff. It was in March of February of 1967. I saw this light moving across the sky and then it just kind of stopped. I took the dog back in the house and brought on my telescope and I watched this thing through the telescope for about 10 minutes. Then it was hovering directly over the
facility where they kept the nuclear weapons, the storage facility near the alert hangars at Westover Air Force Base. It started to move off and it moved off slowly and kind of one-grounds guy and then all of a sudden it just was gone. Like it had been fired out of a gun. It was just out of sight and just a second or two. It all started to
come together when I was working at Intervision and John Epilito talked about this interview that he had done with a person who had for some reason had wound up walking up to or near a hangar at a section. It was a section of a military and air force base and it's seen a flying saucer in the hangar and then he was arrested and hauled off and
blindfolded and debriefed and all this sort of thing. This fellow Mark Stambeau, apparently, according to Roger Turner, had developed an experiment that created kind of levitation. In some circles it's been called electro-gravitic levitation or anti-gravity. What he did was he apparently acquired a high voltage power source and DC direct current power source. He took a couple of quarter inch thick copper plates about a foot in
diameter with the lead coming out of the middle of each one at the top and the bottom and he basically embedded them in a type of plastic resin like polycarbonate or plexiglass or some other kind of clear resin where you could see the plates and you could see the material. Apparently, he did everything he could to get all the little air bubbles and stuff out there
so there wouldn't be any pathways for the electricity to break down the material and arc through there. And the experiment was to see how much voltage you could put on this capacitor, this plate capacitor and this arrangement, how much voltage can you put on this thing before the insulating material begins to just break down. According to Roger, he got up to about a million volts and
the thing would begin to float. But it floated in accordance with principles that have been described in a patent that was filed back in the late 50s, early 60s by a gentleman called Thomas Townsend Brown. He and another individual by the name of a doctor B-Field, he had been a student of this doctor B-Field and it became this effect, we came known as the B-Field Brown
effect. Well, he apparently duplicated the experiments done by B-Field and Brown but the one aspect that they found about this arrangement was that the levitation would always occur or a movement would occur in the direction of the positively charged plate. So if you had two plates, one's negative, one's positive because it's a direct current system. And if you have the positive plate on top, it would
move in that direction. If you had it on a pendulum, it would always swing in the direction of whatever direction the positive plate was facing. B-Field Brown had even done some experiments in the 50s where he had put a couple of these type of capacitors on a, like a little pivoting point when these things would spin as you charge them. I got a call from a
kid that I had known at Art Center, I fell by the name of Brad Sarnson. Apparently, it's seen the magazine, recognized my name and contacted the art director who gave my phone number and he called me up. It turned out that he had gone to work for a design firm in the Glendale Pasadena area of California. Ultimately wound up acquiring most of the clientele for this
particular agency. In the process, it developed a sort of a business practice where he would create products, conceptual designs, and products for different clients. The way he structured his business, he would set it up so that if he came up with some new and novel designs, something that was patentable, the client would pay to have the patent secured, and then he would agree if the patent
was in his name, he would agree to license it exclusively to them and no one else, and then they would pay him royalties. He got his clients to pay for all this patents, and then he had all these royalties coming in and he was a millionaire before 30. This is Brad Sarnson coming back to me eight years after school, and we're talking and he's telling me
all these interesting stories. There was an air show that was coming up out at Norton Air Force Base, which used to be an active air force base right on the Eastern fringe of San Bernardino in Southern California. It's about 50 to 70 miles outside of Los Angeles, due east of Los Angeles right along just north of Interstate 10. I suggested that we get together and go
to this air show, and I'd heard that they were going to have a fly by or a flying demonstration by the SR-71 Blackbird. And he seemed to know a lot about that, so I said, well let's do that. Well, it turned out the last minute the magazine popular science came back again and said that they had some really, really crazy deadline for another illustration they wanted
to do if I could do it over the weekend, have it finished by the following Monday or Tuesday. So I had to beg off on this air show, but Brad had already made arrangements to go by himself. He was going to meet me there, but he was going to bring one of his clients with him, and it turned out that this client was a tall, thin,
white-haired man with glasses, with an Italian sounding last name. And it was already a millionaire in his own right. He was in civilian life again after having been either a secretary of defense or an undersecretary of defense. But Brad wanted me to meet this gentleman, and if I had known this at the time, I probably would have told the magazine to wait, because I had no
idea at that point what I was going to be missing out on. And believe me, I've kicked myself ever since, because the following week after Brad got back home and called me up and told me about the air show, he told me about what he had seen there. And apparently right about the time that the Air Force Flying Demonstration Team, the Thunderbirds, were planning to begin
their show. This gentleman that Brad was with said, follow me, and they go walking down to the other end of the airfield away from where the crowds were to this huge hangar. That's at Norton Air Force Base. I don't remember the building number, but it's got to be one of the largest hangars in the Air Force inventory. In fact, on the base, it was called the
Big Hangar. It looks like four giant, quonset-hut-styled hangars that are all connected in the middle with shops and work areas out around the edges, and they're sort of a divider in the middle. But they can work on several of these C5s in these hangars all at the same time. They can just drive them right in underneath the roof with their tail sticking out, you know, the
doors, and work on them inside, away from the weather and the heat. So this gentleman took Brad down there, and there was a cordon of military police around the hangar, and he walked up to one, and he said, you know, what do you want? Why are you here? And he says I'm here to talk to the guy who's running the show. And so the guard goes
in, and now comes the same guard with a gentleman, a three-piece suit, who immediately recognizes this fellow that Brad is with, this fellow who I speculate was probably Frank Carlucci. They go inside, and immediately after getting inside the door, this fellow apparently passes Brad off as his aide to this fellow who's managing this exhibit that's going on inside this hangar. And this exhibit is for some
of the local politicians who are cleared for high security information, and some of the local military officials. And just so happens that at that very same time, I had a really good relationship with the Air Force Arc program, and the Public Affairs Office for the Air Force in Los Angeles, the fellow who headed up that office at the time, was a colonel by the name of
Thomas Hornung, its HR NUNG, I believe he's retired now in Florida somewhere. There's a short fellow, I think he was probably about 5'5", he met the minimum standards to get into the military because of his height, but very nice fellow. And I believe that he was probably the individual who did a lot of interfacing with the services to make this show happen, along with the assistance
of at that time Congressman George E. Brown Jr., who at the time was the chairman of the Congressional Committee on Space Science and Advanced Technology. So you see all these things coming together, and then when you hear what Brad described in the hangar, you start to understand why it was so significant. Well as soon as they walk in, Brad is told by this fellow that he's
with. There's a lot of things in here that I didn't expect they were going to have on display, stuff you probably shouldn't be seeing, so don't talk to anybody, don't ask any questions, just keep your mouth shut, smile and nod, but don't say anything, just enjoy the show. We're going to get out of here as soon as we can. So in the process, the host or
the person running the show was very engaging too, or with the gentleman, the Brad was with, so they bring them in and they're showing them everything. And in the process of this exhibit, they had a number of, I guess you'd call them high-tech advanced technology hovercraft that employed different types of little trap doors that would open and thrust would come out and blow them around, and
you could fly several feet off the ground with these things. There was the losing prototype from the B2 stealth bomber competition. They also had what was called the Lockheed Pulsar, nicknamed the Aurora. And it was described as being a large sort of a flattened out football shape, all black, all covered with tiles, very much like the space shuttle, had three landier, had two large main gear
underneath the aircraft, two tires on each side, and a long spindling, spindly sort of nose gear under the nose, very, very long. It didn't appear to have a cockpit of any kind. It instead had a kind of synthetic vision system, looked like a couple of those little mirrored balls that you see on the lawns, back east, in New England, on either side, and these were infrared
seeker heads. And he was north of what later became known as the Area 51 weapons range, it's north of Las Vegas, in Nevada, said that he came out of the clouds, middle of the afternoon, and below him and to his left was this black diamond-shaped aircraft, flat-football-shaped, flattened football-shaped. But this one had a cockpit on a little canopy, had a vertical stabilizer above, vertical stabilizer below,
and it had a couple of little, like, knack-a-ducks for the inlets, for the air, for the jet engines, and then a couple of little openings in the back, kind of like the ones on the stealth fighter, where they spread the exhaustory mount so that it disperses the heat, allows the heat signature of the plane to be dropped off dramatically, so they're not susceptible to heat-seeking missiles
and things of that kind. But this pilot in recounting the story to Hal McCormick says that he called his ground controller and said, why didn't you tell me there's other traffic in my area? Why didn't you tell me that there's somebody else here? And he said, well, because there is nobody else there, and he said, well, the hell there isn't. I can see him right here,
and the plane looks like this. It's black and diamond-shaped and has two tails, and with that, this thing banked away from him, hit the afterburners, and took off, disappeared in the clouds. And the next thing that happened was you got a call from the ground controller unit, which just happened to be the tower at Nellis Air Force Base, and it said, divert Nellis land, stay in
the aircraft, don't depart the aircraft. Someone will meet you there, so he immediately diverted to Nellis, landed the plane, waited until some MPs came out, and he took him out of the plane, handcuffed him, put him in the plane, and then they spent several days talking to him about the aircraft that he did not see. So this all kind of came full circle for me, but
the thing that Brad said when he described this Aurora-type aircraft in this hangar, along with these other unusual vehicles, was that it employed a very unusual kind of technology, that it had two propulsion systems, not just one, that there were engines inside the fuselage of the aircraft, that had tracked doors that would open up so that it could fly using these internal engines, and then when
it would get up to, say, two and a half or three times the speed of sound, where the air coming over the top of this aircraft is compressed and super-heated and really, really hot, forming the shock wave coming off this aircraft, that they had a way of closing all of these exhaust shoots and these inlets for these, I guess there were four engines inside the aircraft,
and there was an external type of pulsed detonation engine that would operate, and there was a kind of shallow ridge that ran laterally across the belly and the backbone of the aircraft at the widest part. There were no wings and no tails on this aircraft, the Brad had seen in the hangar, but along this ridge where all these little tiny orphus, these little, look like fuel
injectors pointing outward into the air stream directly behind this ridge, I mean, if it flew this way, they would point towards the back. And the idea was that as a supersonic shock wave would form over the front of the aircraft and it would separate from the surface of the aircraft right where that little ridge was, they would spray fuel into the super-heated, highly compressed air, and
it would explode, it would spontaneously explode, and as it did so, it would expand between the tapered afterbody of the vehicle, and the shock wave that came off those ridges so it was like an exhaust cone turned inside out, and it would pinch the back end of the vehicle and shoot it forward. It would shoot at speeds of something like 10 or 15,000 miles an hour,
just an even faster than a rifle bullet, basically. And that was part of the reason the whole thing was covered with these ceramic tiles is to protect it from melting when it was flying through the air. The other thing that he said about that aircraft was that it had these circular launch tubes in the belly of the vehicle, each of which carried a single cone-shaped nuclear
powered or conventionally loaded warhead in a reentry vehicle that could be guided into precision and individually guided two targets. And the way the system operated was just absolutely beautiful and elegant and simple, and they had a tile on the outside with explosive bolts holding it in place, and it was flush with the tiles on the belly of the vehicle. And up inside this tube was this
cone-shaped reentry vehicle pointing nose down, possibly having a kind of a sub-bow or a three-piece spacer in there that would hold it centered in the tube. And then directly above that, and behind it was another circular tile, and then behind that was a big coiled spring. And what they would do is they would fire off the explosive bolts, the spring would push this reentry vehicle out