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Title: Biden’s Turkey Visit: Multipolar Backroom Deals, the Gulen Card & President Erdogan at Crossroads
Published: 2016-09-04
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAAZbKLHyIk
Title: Biden’s Turkey Visit: Multipolar Backroom Deals, the Gulen Card & President Erdogan at Crossroads
Published: 2016-09-04
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAAZbKLHyIk
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I this is Spiro for this week's episode of news but roundtable %HESITATION two weeks ago on news buzz roundtable Sibel Edmonds and James Corbett discuss the recent developments regarding the escalation of it's tricky real following the failed coup attempt and Turkey signals of re approach meant with Russia in the east moving away from NATO in the west as we recorded that episode vice president Joe Biden2/92
was set to head to Turkey and meet with Turkish officials and that is when Turkey launched operation Euphrates shield a military offensive into Syria taking ISIS controlled town of droplets with US support now recently the Kurds had moved west of the Euphrates river in Syria and had taken the ice is controlled town of Manja with the aid of the U. S. support but since then Biden3/92
has demanded the U. S. backers retreat from their positions and go east of the Euphrates river or lose their support I'd like to welcome Sibel Edmonds editor and founder of news but and James Corbett of corporate report dot com James since Turkey's launch of operation Euphrates shield %HESITATION Turkey has moved in made an offensive into Syria now what do you make of Turkey's offensive into Syria4/92
and how will this affect you S. excuse me Turkish and Russia relations and where does ISIS fit into all of this very good questions and answers I'm sure people can see from what has developed since last time we were talking things are changing on a moment's notice and will continue to do so so we're just sitting here parsing what is happening as it's happening but here's5/92
what we do know we do know that exactly as I think I was indicating in the last time we talked are turkeys relate at Turkey's interest in Syria remains killing occurred said vacate the Kurds of they don't want the Kurds to you I take over that died border territory they wanna make sure they get the Kurds so operation free shield I think has to be seen6/92
in the context of turkeys broader interest in Syria since the very beginning which is to make sure that the Kurds do not start a form their Kurdistan and it is interesting that the U. S. is obviously cooperative with this %HESITATION this incursion and what is in to equally interesting is that Russia and Syria and Iran either they are not being an active opposition shall we say7/92
to this incursion %HESITATION whatever type of you know political denunciations may come there hasn't been any active opposition to what's going on so far and perhaps that's because I would I mean obviously there's not much that can be done other than what bombings Turkey Turkish forces in Syria I mean again that would lead to a war situation so it's I mean it's a bizarre situation from8/92
from a lot of different angles but it certainly does call into question the fundamental premise of our last conversation is Turkey leaving at NATO well or if we just look at the last two weeks of events are the answer seems to be a resounding no and again this I think largely hinges on what whatever was discussed behind closed doors when Biden visited %HESITATION with Turkey %HESITATION9/92
just after we recorded our last conversation and I'd again there are reports coming out from unconfirmed sources of various different things that were were not discussed but did daily Sabah is reporting from anonymous Turkish justice ministry officials that of the US delegation which conducted talks with Turkish officials regarding the extradition of the grueling terror group a leader for to look group will end said that two10/92
indictments of Turkish prosecutors against the terror group would be enough for his extradition to Turkey which is in line with a lot of other reports saying that none of the information that Turkey has provided the U. S. is about the coup itself it's all previous to the crew are so no new information being preside provided but the US is saying okay will go along with it11/92
now I think we have to take that with a grain of salt is the U. S. really going along with it or as Sibel suggested last time are they just going to put it into the political process and wait for food willing to die while while this is all going on %HESITATION so again there's layer upon layer of all this I really wanna get Sibel state12/92
on this because it seems to me that it is getting harder and harder and harder if not impossible to paint a room one as some sort of crusading anti imperialist I'm going to break up NATO crusader rather than just someone who is clearly just fighting for his own political survival in his own political agenda and will make whatever alliances of convenience is with whoever comes along13/92
in whatever context and say whatever they want to hear in order to get what he he wants out of them that's what it looks like at this point but I'd be interested to see if you have a different take on it now James if it appears that way arm as you said a lot of turning points is that big %HESITATION to take started taking place right14/92
around the Biden's arrival so this was when I was tuned in and I was watching everything unfold in Turkey all the news you know press releases coming out so right before Biden arrived in fact a few hours before Biden arrive dead did you move in into Syria began so we know that what ever took place in terms of conversations it precedes you know Biden's arrival so15/92
you know that there were a bunch of phone all calls because asked Turkey moved into Syria U. S. of was providing air support to Turkey and this is only a few days after president erdo on maths with %HESITATION Russian president Putin and this was after we had our discussion our analysis of the situation so we see that movement into Syria taking place a few hours before16/92
Biden arrive in in Turkey not only that as I'm watching things unfold I see this news blurb popping up saying Barzani and that president of the Kurdistan is arriving in Turkey just around the same time as Brian so I was like is this a coincidence I mean they have two major diplomatic related meetings because the blurb said Barzani will be meeting with everyone so not only17/92
that that meet me flash back to our discussion here because James you're the one who brought up the wild card one of the questions you asked me was well how about the Kurdish wild card what will be C. in these predictions or analysis about that that that we are we are engaged in as far as the Kurdish wildcard goes what do you expect and that was18/92
a very astute questions and I immediately said aha James there is the Kurdish wildcard getting into the game in the middle of it a few hours after that I read that in fact Barzani was present during the meeting between president Antoine and by ten so it was not Trixie and U. S. but here we have the Kurdish factions representation in that meeting preceding by five hours19/92
before death going into Syria some shaking my head that I'm saying why is happening here as you said as you mentioned as far as Bulent is concerned it was exactly what you were expecting okay it almost appears as if they wanted to provide a situation or a scenario where everyone would say face okay in this case president Erewhon Turkish government will say we want you and20/92
you have to extradite him right and the United States in this case by Dan said we have our team justice department people arrived in Turkey two days before Biden and they have been working they had been working with the justice department in Turkey reviewing all the extradition process so with the U. S. think OPB are starting the process yeah it would have Turkish of government in21/92
this case president and Ansei face see we insist that now they are starting the process while that doesn't mean shit I mean we all know that they can stop the process take a look at these processes the usually go for eight to ten years and the guys eight years old but guess what that allows the president there to save face but what was really intriguing was22/92
this move into Syria with the U. S. support we did not and support behind a Kurdish faction in this case that Barzani's faction because by then actually ordered he ordered he said we want you Kurt goal to the east basically alright we want you to reach if you wanted to go to this site and six stand still you not gonna you not gonna do anything let23/92
Turkey do what he's going to do that's the summary of what Biden ordered and this is the guy who was the official leader off off that Kurdish factions there now that's very interesting so that's one problem a long bone for charity you know usually it boils down to bone okay where does talk serious Turkey going in this having this discussion with Russia of course it could24/92
have been basically sending a signal to the west saying you don't know some of the things we want bigger do DS okay now lest he was going to be higher okay higher Russia may say this and this and this USS going to Turkey will give you air support kill as many cars as you want to kill glass sport as you want to go so I understand25/92
in this international geopolitical game that's what I Stan the most interesting part here is based on my reading and I have been reading nonstop stands on on various perspective is Russia's position as you said James Iran's position and that's and not only that also its position it is a very interesting situation word there seems to be multipolar a decision making in this in this move by26/92
Turkey into Syria also remember dis James one day before Biden arrive Turkey send their officials took aside this was the first formal official meeting but a sock so during that meeting some kind of a consent was received was taken from a spot because the know that Russia is kind of like sing his muscles as they Turkey shouldn't gold uses this they should handle it this way27/92
but this is only talk meanwhile they have been behind the scenes supporting this move into Syria Assad is the opiate Wittig Russia's puritanism cake with egg Iran is okay with it U. S. supporting Turkey going in there with Turkey but see I involved in there and trip so you kind of scratch your head and say what kind of a situation or what kind of surprise would28/92
be dead would be the price in this case that would benefit all and Gackt becomes the question here meaning what is it that has gotten all the involved parties all the powers agree on this I hope that wasn't a question because I'm not sure I have an answer to it %HESITATION but I mean I I again it clearly has to do with the the chess piece29/92
of isis which is the ostensible reason why every once in Syria but I think it has to be greater than that obviously arm and again I'm not sure I can't fathom why Barzani would be would be meeting with %HESITATION the Turks in okay you know we don't mind killer as I mean it just it doesn't make any sense to me from that perspective and then I30/92
can't imagine why a solid well unless Assad of course sees the carving out of Kurdistan is a threat to his own a power so he's going to be %HESITATION tacitly allow Turkey to come in because they're not interested in Syria they're just interesting getting rid of current stay there interesting lying there are Russia and I didn't yeah again perhaps that they occurred so fat happy to31/92
throw them under the bus if it means they achieve their greater goals in maintaining the Syrian state and the U. S. %HESITATION again what it how does it benefit again you have the CIA supporting various factions but then you have the Pentagon supporting the I. YPG in there that the %HESITATION Kurdish factions so they're fighting each other which has made him uncomfortable headlines and I did32/92
point out on Twitter that Richard Haass of the CFR saying all you know some food are gonna have to do something to sort this out and he was pointed to an article talking about the Pentagon basically fighting the CIA in Syria I do has just such a strange mess but %HESITATION I suppose the incursion itself doesn't necessarily I mean the only people that I see that33/92
are unequivocally thrown under the bus in this is the Kurds so perhaps everyone can unite against throwing the Kurds under the bus up notes you make some really good points because as you said Assad has this interest he he's always had a Syria has always the government has had this interest of preventing a Kurdistan from being established that's another uniting factor with Iran Iran has had34/92
the same historical a situation because all cards and Iran has always been just like Turkey not gonna be nothing to divide our unit TV are one country we are one nation we don't want to ever see our northwestern portion gets carved out for the Kurds so you can see as far as the Kurdish question goes you see those three interests converging you have Turkey's interests you35/92
have Iran's interests you have serious interest that part I understand with the United States up to a certain degree and U. S. has been doing exactly the same thing as the Russians while they actually ordered and they are providing the air support if you look at the newspaper's New York times Washington post there also simultaneous is saying this is a dangerous move by Turkey you're getting36/92
really nervous about tricky going so far we wanted them to go in but not this far rally this is because I guess I don't know maybe the last attempt try to keep some of the Kurdish factions still on the U. S. like because Kurdish factions has been they they have been on the U. S. life but if it is it's really lame I'm your providing the37/92
air support right with Turkey going in there we doubt your green like why do you think oldest time Turkey hasn't gotten into inside Syria that way one reason they never got the green light from the U. S. look gave the same thing happened same thing happened during the Iraq war during bush administration and this was when tricky said U. S. you cannot use injured leg air38/92
base do you know why that happened because during that whole time I was at the beginning of it inside the FBI George you said you can use anything you can use us our mothers everything okay this is Turkish government backed what we want is the grand plan was sweet Iraq basically divided to treat that Shia faction in the south you have the SUNY in the center39/92
and the north quite being finally Kurdistan and this is when Barzani became you know became Barzani this was been Barzani was created there so what happened here was Turkey said over our dead body you are not going to have Kurdistan in northern Iraq not only that during the Ottoman Empire death was our lands we use to have that area and use the oil rich area can40/92
you imagine cookbook being Turkey Turkey doesn't have natural resources in terms of natural gas or oil and at that point US that nope because Israel was establishing a base in northern Iraq to spy on Iran U. S. had the the the the the marriage with the Kurds the same with the Israelis they signal to Turkey so that didn't happen they wanted to go in there deathly41/92
Turkey now with Syria they have me wanting this this has been Turkey's interests interest all along but all the time the green light was not being given the Turkey U. S. was they sit back we are working with those course against you know what's awesome everything you can't do it you can't do it now that bone has been trotting front of a dead Turkish government and42/92
Turkish military saying yeah go ahead now I don't know how long it's going to last you can go and do descendants for dispute of time then you gonna retreat if that's the case what are you really gaining or they were going to have these some kind of a free zone established there which happens to be in the heart of the Kurdish region right I says resolved43/92
there you know that would be there that would be the promotion marketing material this is the ISIS freeze all welcome to ISIS free so you have now entered isa's resort beaches there which is a heavily Kurdish area in in Syria and lecture TV basically be the guard dog there which is what it wanted to do to start with yeah we all got older Kurdish stuff I44/92
understand Pugin are Russia not so much and the I have heard another hypothesis that this may be some sort of a plan by Russia and Turkey and Syria and at certain points they maybe double crossing U. S. meaning getting does I don't know if he's going to get to that point I doubt it but I have read but jewel analysis done by you know significant titled45/92
people saying all yet this is what they gonna do they have this plan they are drawing U. S. each with then they got a double cross U. S. No Way Out would cling to double cross would they be running their what could they possibly do you now that's that's very interesting because if you remember than when they went back president at all went to Russia and46/92
met with president Pugin okay what happened was up you just said they want to gather the Turkey using usually base going to Syria and clear up some of those portions of that area and Syria from ISIS right we were gonna do it together then this stuff happened Biden and hold talks with U. S. Turkey goes in there and you S. is supporting and behind the scenes47/92
Russia is nodding so me at least that portion of Norton Syria and whatever operation is taking place is exactly is what what Russia ones and what Assad wants but regardless of Assad's interest as far as the Kurdish action he still has to think about his own future right meaning yes Turkey said we can accept transitional government and maybe a sob being there present during that transition48/92
period but no way Jose he's not going to happen in the long term because it can't be the serial it's been a stock well I mean that's another question mark meaning they may have a deal behind the scenes in regards to the assaults position you know we weekly but then that would be going to pause here three of us because they let's say they keep us49/92
locked in place what was this whole thing all about for the past five years or Assad regime has to come down isis all the things and then imagine everybody says okay Assad stays in place and we go back where we were and have some sort of an excuse to safe they think well be eliminated most of isis will be created ISIS put some we did not50/92
mean Turkey be trained out in Jordan and Turkey we put them there down then five years later after millions of people displaced refugees right or the destruction of the people all the destruction economically and in every way I took to Syria to say well it's not it's like basically stalemate okay so what we do is less safe space we say be cleaned out isis that okay51/92
ISIS are US be created now but the clean them up see as often as they Russia's happy U. S. is happy and maybe there is something for Turkey in northern Syria right there along the border now gap kind of would make sense because Russia doesn't want a sock to go you know back and it looks like after five six years they're coming into that to that52/92
of still my position but think about Vietnam Spiro and and and and James really millions of people dying in in Vietnam okay you're looking at a decade long bogus war you're looking at a hundred thousand whatever soldiers that and now what happened at the end who did what people lost right military industrial complex one and and there was nothing he thought what was the Vietnam War53/92
for so if you know what I'm unusual rate I mean they make up these ridiculous pretenses and then they get the entire nation an entire military industrial complex caught up in this for years and years and people benefit alright let's bring in a third perspective to this because there was just an article up the other day from a shell toss it off get your TV to54/92
us our global research dot CA U. S. NATO Turkey invasion of northern Syria CI a failed Turkey Goulet's groundwork for broader Middle East war which he posits that the coup was in fact on the set up to fail specifically as a way to purge elements of the Turkish military that would have been uncooperative with this Syrian invasion and he goes on to say that they couldn't55/92
earn a one St Petersburg meeting was interpreted by the media as a proper reference moaned with Moscow in response to the alleged involvement of the CIA in the failed coup and then he goes on to say %HESITATION in actuality the Pentagon NATO the Turkish high command and Israel are in permanent liaison Israel is a defective member of NATO it has a comprehensive bilateral military and intelligence56/92
relationship with Turkey with the invasion of the border area of northern Syria and the influx of Turkish tanks and armored vehicles the Turkey Russia relationship is in crisis and that is the ultimate objective of US foreign policy Russian forces are acting on behalf of their Syrian ally how will Kremlin and Russia's high command respond to what constitutes a U. S. Turkey NATO ground invasion of Syria57/92
so I think that the the perspective being forwarded here is that side that are the Syrian invasion %HESITATION that Turkey and the U. S. clearly have worked together on is I as you were I think saying a bone that US is throwing to Turkey because they were at least pretending to go under that Russian umbrella and or ID inching out from the NATO umbrella %HESITATION I