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Title: BFP Roundtable Video- Graham’s So-Called Smoking Gun, Saudi Arabia & Yemen
Published: 2015-05-06
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKyftpCdQH8
Title: BFP Roundtable Video- Graham’s So-Called Smoking Gun, Saudi Arabia & Yemen
Published: 2015-05-06
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKyftpCdQH8
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early hello everybody and welcome to our the very new BFP roundtable serious this is a brand new video series that where we're going to be doing here point frauds posts I am pierced Redman and joining me for it %HESITATION this very first this inaugural episode is gear my humanities and spell admins obviously both of boiling frog suppose dot com endowment before we before we kind of2/132
get into the the actual episode and meet taters what we're gonna be discussing armed we thought it would be good idea to sort of our a breakdown show is going how we're going to US formatting everything of the types of topics in and why it is that %HESITATION there is going to be a bit of a cheat in the BFP serious so you know first and3/132
foremost %HESITATION we we want this to be a very interactive series we want to have as much a viewer participation as possible and %HESITATION you know the the there is a very thriving comment section on almost every single post that's on BFP I'm we really do appreciate all that so we would do we certainly want you to let us know what you think about episode suggest4/132
topics and really start a dialogue you know not just %HESITATION %HESITATION I like this and I didn't like that %HESITATION you know really give us some sort of constructive ideas and and start to have a real conversation going back and forth on what I'm I mean similar and we were talking a little bit before about %HESITATION off here but some of our our particular goals but5/132
Tim you know what do you particularly want to get out of that this new roundtable series also several things one important objective for for all of us at BFB is as you said you can have a debate session and talk and talk and talk and say bye and many people but it ends there it or floats there and then you do something else for me it6/132
feels almost purposeless it's like it moves okay so we talked it and their talk about this thing there were three or four of us and then it ended there while we are introducing a topic we are maybe bringing in two or three point of views yours in this case but what we gonna be doing today yeah mouse and I that is just the beginning what we7/132
want is for our our community members to take this adds further debate because there are you know we are not limited to two or three point of views all quite yet minus the ballet and pierced or com or someone else which there are other angles that need to be considered there are other point of views that we need to debate and that is what I what8/132
we mean by saying further during that debate expanding yet am moving together and and and I have them watch richer discussion rather than something that is limited to two or three applies with some expert yes there are so many of those this is exactly why I started the podcast series probable cause I wanted that because we do the podcast we have a podcast session but the9/132
meat and and and the best part is what you get to see in the discussion %HESITATION section people criticizing people adding people taking away and that's the part that makes it great and that's exactly what yeah and then I think there's there's so much of %HESITATION the kind of cut and paste very simple podcast discussions going on in the alternative media where you know well let's10/132
start appoint a let's go to point B. and that's sort of the end of it %HESITATION and they're very sort of spinal I'm where is with this I think it you know this will really be an organic experience this is going to keep moving and you know we might start with one topic it in discusses much as we want and then by the end of it11/132
it'll be well beyond something completely different and we can pick up from there we can have people at I think that's what's gonna make this unique as opposed to okay let's let's talk for forty minutes and at the end of it and that's it you know we'll just sort of put that away on the shelf and we don't need to really get into it anymore on12/132
so that's you know a really exciting a part of this %HESITATION gimmick you got any yet and certainly really like the idea in fact I mean the US adult I mentioned on that it's going to be very much like the the podcasts been doing our work with a lot of interaction with the the be a few community and I like that I get I think just13/132
just not just the make no %HESITATION you know just to be clear about it that I think that there's room for all of that sort of stuff within the all media this room for the straight interview those are done that you can get a lot of value out of that there's room for %HESITATION you know casual conversation about a number of topics wasn't there's value in14/132
that but but what there hasn't been enough of in what there's also value in is a sort of stuff that that we're talking about interacting with of the year your viewers your audience %HESITATION in a direct way and so will you what you'll see is with this %HESITATION with this video with the series and we very much like %HESITATION what you've been seeing what spells posts15/132
will be there will be interacting a bit %HESITATION and we'll get some some feedback on what %HESITATION what we discussed and what you want us to discuss where you want to see the conversation go from there and so I think that's great because like like you're saying it's it's much better to have you know a thousand a hundred heads and just the three heads night here16/132
talking about whatever issue might be get up get up you know a diverse range of opinions and see where you can take this and that ultimately that's what's about you ultimately if we wanna do you want to reach as many people as possible and have them start thinking about that and let us know okay will you know this is what I think and swat where I17/132
think this is the third witness this things to go in that document that's only a positive I think it's I think it's great %HESITATION and also as far as the the the format of the show %HESITATION we're talking a bit about this earlier just to get just a little behind the scenes for her and for the audience we've been talking for about an hour already yeah18/132
we will get a number of technical difficulties we were included so we're we're we're finally got this going but we're talking about is all the different things that we want to put to the show in a different read is why all we wanted to be the way it's going to be and part of it it's going to be %HESITATION the just the way that the other19/132
shows on BFP our our our subscriber supported that's the model that we've well chosen the cargo to go with and I think it's a very very good one %HESITATION and as I know that not everyone agrees with that not everyone likes that idea %HESITATION and and and part of me you know I can understand that it you know growing up on the internet basically my generation20/132
you used used sense that you get the sense was sort of like this idea that everything on the internet you ought to be free everything on the internet just ought to be bitterly available freely available I shouldn't pay for anything and %HESITATION I I you know I get I sympathize with that I I I see I see what you're saying there but on the other hand21/132
%HESITATION a lot of the stuff requires %HESITATION out of pocket costs for for the people doing it and requires all the time and effort in putting together in order to do it on a on a sort of long term basis arm on on a serious level on a on a you know on a on a professional level it requires funds and so you have a number22/132
of different options there you can go with %HESITATION the advert you know at advertising route which is what traditional TV and radio do you write a what traditional websites like a New York times or whatever might be having compulsive think they might have into like a wall section or the Wall Street journal whatever might be the number of different outlets to go that route that do23/132
you %HESITATION that to use his mate do advertising routes you can do that more technical difficult fall yeah megaphones going crazy if you do that you can either feed here for you to the donation route right you can do of the foundation donor route and then you can do the directs people funded route which is the route that I think is probably not probably I think24/132
it's the the the most viable from a strictly you know club sort of economic sense %HESITATION and I think it's also the the most them for lack of better words the most independent route the but the rap that keeps everyone honest that it's just it's completely directly funded by the people that want to hear and listen to this and support it %HESITATION through donations intrusive trips25/132
I think that's the best way to go unless about you have you have plenty to say about that's on all of them see the floor to you has or hasn't heard it that way you cover some of the most important points with this and the fact that there is room for all these different styles and availability is you know there and as you said beat are26/132
people who are working full time and we have family responsibilities so and what we wanna be able to commit and save you gotta bring this to you two or four or five or three times a month well not that whenever I have time I'm gonna record something put it there some people are independently wealthy they are able to do that some people they may be they27/132
they don't have to work they are with their families living there with their parents at they can do that but we are not in that %HESITATION situation and one things you mentioned %HESITATION year more I think that's an important point to clarify for me a little bit menus anyone I reach as many people as possible is absolutely true diverse is absolutely true but I also want28/132
to emphasize the fact that you don't want to goal only for quantity and it is better off having fifteen thousand people coming watching my you to some of them basically throwing in some thirty lap language out there for some really ridiculously shallow response I would rather to reach out to three or five thousand or seven thousand people who are dedicated to suit its troops a fact29/132
finding critical thinking debate and another important point is I invite people to read the comments posted on there are new podcast probable cause at Willie frauds post people are coming from all sorts of diverse backgrounds and point of views and political philosophies etcetera however what we have had ever present for now eighteen episodes it's been going on for four months respect and that is people respecting30/132
each other's point of view whether they agree with it or not and they try to it really quickly thing and articulate their response he again respectful of other people and help us murder our research our discussion I matter I rather work with smaller group but dedicated community activist community like boiling frocks closed than opened there and have Kim Kardashian sister common feelings there and state who31/132
cool like I like I like it I don't think that before that I like putting our valuable time and and MBR recording this you're putting our heart and soul into it you have the passion and I would also make it quick mention acquire topics you gonna cover diverse range of topics but I still like to see and again I'm I'm asking the our our viewers to32/132
to to out join this discussion and let us know I like to have to keep certain level of theme and macro topic and within the city have subtopics beaches rarely wide range weather's nine eleven but there's deep state betters Gladio what are some current event that Saudi Arabia and you met yeah man but a I don't I I don't see this show being one day be33/132
undercover federal reserve the next they begun to cover %HESITATION pearls in in and the ocean and then the other day he got up there although I love cooking because I talk about combo and the job I have which I love well I don't want any kind of easy of and I go to some sites that they are doing too many topics back to back and some34/132
of them seemed not really relevant to each other it's overwhelming truly I get overwhelmed instead I rather get into things into things beeper thoroughly and a bit slow sort of the macro theme it is there are there you have ruled to cover all star stuff subtopics within this but again that's a suggestion and I want to hear from both of you on that and also from35/132
are you well again I think %HESITATION you know just to keep a little bit more praise on that the BFP community there very much about that a tape of the show it's not about you know will jumping around I like the idea of this being almost like one continual are serious you know where it we we we're gonna start here and in the year we're still36/132
gonna be kind of discussing all of these different themes are all going to be kind of intertwined with one another and you know and that's very exciting again there's really not a whole lot of that going on in the alternative media on it's very much about not picking up you know it with even even listings of current events it's well how does this fit into a37/132
particular conspiracy culture meme that's very popular at the moment %HESITATION and that becomes what they deserve drilling into you over and over and over again on whereas with I mean everybody I that's that's part of the F. T. I mean the pod has a really complex in the really taking some big issues and taking the time to dissect them are and this is again something that38/132
just needs a more of our within the alternative media and I think that this is a great platform to start getting into that on so one hundred I mean you guys have any any other things that you want to talk about in terms of format in terms of ideas %HESITATION yet I can't think of the I think we covered most of everything we wanted to get39/132
out as far as %HESITATION the structure in the purpose of the show %HESITATION can miss something symbolic and no absolute you covered everything and and I will echo what Pierce just %HESITATION said and that is that's reactionary need your coverage you know something happens and and then there's two three days of sound byte coverage here and there began because once every time we talked about context40/132
history parallel examples then you would see that it's not really news is that repetition of the same thing be saw you know a year and a half ago or twenty three and a half years ago with Syria or it is very paranoid is completely up parallel to another incident that that we just saw happening each year a half ago and here are the same actors and41/132
do your best and that you know that that you a strategic but then the chessboard and and then you can start looking get this bird died macro view rather than this knee jerk they all this happened and then a cover that's happened I'm gonna cover then I'm gonna go and look and see blah blah is happening and I'm gonna go and cover that I eat I42/132
find it really shallow and the I don't even know why some people considered those entertaining guy I don't but I guess people are different but no he covered everything I think yeah okay well I mean I think on that no one knew what we we get into what %HESITATION what we wanted to discuss today and again coming from the BFT community are recently Peter B. Collins43/132
on processing distortion talked with us senator Bob Graham who I'm sure all of the viewers %HESITATION will be somewhat familiar with us and he is a former US senator who I believe was to his chair or was it relatively high number on the US Senate intelligence committee I and he has since are made quite a big %HESITATION I know splash %HESITATION it both in the mainstream44/132
as well as in the alternative in particular the pseudo alternative media are harping on and on ad nauseum about these twenty eight redacted pages that are part of the nine eleven commission %HESITATION there there sometimes referred to the Saudi man no or the twenty eight pages in these are twenty pages which of course Bob Graham is seen but no one else has I he claims that45/132
%HESITATION owe you the this is the smoking gun are this explains everything about nine eleven and essentially places almost all blame on Saudi Arabia in terms of funding this I'd terms of recruiting other various hijackers Leslie said he's been on a mainstream news he's been on you know like Russia today %HESITATION %HESITATION lives so I know you I actually love I'd democracy now of he's gonna46/132
let me go ahead and show us several times owned and we wanted to sort of work with this would be a good topic because again it ugh you know viewing this within a bubble okay sure you know you can do that but arm is there are so many other factors at play aside from what's perhaps you know what is allegedly in these twenty eight pages there47/132
are lots of geo political things going on in the background that are directly related to this twenty pages but when we first to sort of get into this and I now offer of my own opinion and that is that all there is no smoking gun in these twenty eight pages arm is you know from the very beginning %HESITATION you know literally within days of nine eleven48/132
%HESITATION happening owe it was the Saudis the Saudis did everything now you know not to brush that aside obviously the Saudis were involved in this %HESITATION you know certainly %HESITATION in in terms of helping with the CIA and NATO and and you know almost all the hijackers were were Saudi %HESITATION there's a you know interestingly there's %HESITATION just a book that came out %HESITATION called out49/132
Aziz's for al Qaeda by J. Michael spring men who %HESITATION worked in Jeddah and was actually part I mean he he was unaware of this at the time on but was actually giving out visas to many of these hijackers at the behest of the CIA but us you know there's not any anything in these twenty eight pages that is going to solve nine eleven out quote50/132
unquote and unfortunately a lot of people in the alternative media are you know praying %HESITATION that they will get some sort of smoking gun some sort of absolute answer all this is you know this guy and that guy in this woman they they funded them and they sent them here %HESITATION and that's it that you know kids clothes were done any kind of deep state of51/132
that a one on the level of nine eleven has got so many different moving parts in so many different %HESITATION actors and players involved in this there will never be one culprit that's just impossible on each you know a deep state of then is designed so that there never will be one culprit alright so you know I don't know I mean it will there be little52/132
bits and pieces in there yes probably if these pages ever come out there will be a couple nuggets in there that you know the New York Times and fox news and MSNBC will go on and on and on about but there's not gonna be anything it'll be very much %HESITATION like Snowden's revelations are this will confirm what many of us have already known which is that53/132
yes of course Saudi Arabia was involved in this but I only throwback to hear my what's your general take on that was a pretty darn good analogy just through there at the end because I think that's the thing that's true %HESITATION initially are going to say that I that that %HESITATION that the problem might be some value in those and that twenty page memo but as54/132
far as being I eight eight word error the smoking gun to solve anything %HESITATION no I'm obviously not that you can and and and I think anyone that's even looking at this %HESITATION just through the medium of the drew the lights up lands of the media %HESITATION if there's if you if if if we not New York Times and ABC and fox and all the the55/132
traditional %HESITATION mainstream media if they're all talking about it probably not going to be the answers you know that's that's that's the the book him for me anyway but one quick one quick point of clarification I am going to ask both of you to help me out here because maybe I'm wrong on this but it's my understanding that the twenty page memo that we're talking about56/132
was not part of the nine eleven commission report this is a separate report is that right that just the just the kind of clarify that that one point right this is like a thing that might as yeah wouldn't know that it's it's a really I mean I I didn't know for sure either way but I think I'm looking at the website now %HESITATION and I think57/132
many of our viewers are probably already come across this they might visit the page twenty eight pages that war is %HESITATION the website that's primarily behind the the current campaign to really %HESITATION push this and so you you look here in what they're talking about the intelligence community Tiffany's before and after the terrorist attacks to Merlin doesn't want from one titled look at productive joint inquiry