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Title: BFP Roundtable: How Will Newsbud Cover the News?
Published: 2016-02-01
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvVEXMNtj4E
Title: BFP Roundtable: How Will Newsbud Cover the News?
Published: 2016-02-01
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvVEXMNtj4E
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journalism itself is become you know too powerful not accountable many cases to be a check on anything so we gotta can reinvent it welcome friends looking back boiling trucks post round table where the news but roundtable I'm James Corbett of corporate report dot com and you might remember a couple of weeks ago we were talking to Sibel Edmonds and %HESITATION Peter B. Collins and Pepe Escobar2/127
about news bud the forthcoming brand new media venture from Sibel Edmonds and the boiling frog post team but catapulting into something much larger something of a much grander scope and we talked about the forthcoming project what it's going to be about funding for that project at such rest so I will suggest if you haven't done so that you go back and we listen to our real3/127
listen to that conversation but today we're going to have an entirely new conversation with a couple of different people that I hope you will be familiar with but if not we will introduce them so of course we have Sibel Edmonds of boiling frog post dot com lined up today but we also have bill Conroy who I'm sure attentive corporate report listeners will no doubt remember from4/127
interview three hundred eighty eight interview four hundred seventy eight an interview six hundred fifty nine from two thousand eleven two thousand twelve in two thousand thirteen respectively I'm sure you all remember that I we have Guillermo humans of traces of reality dot com me frequent guest in corporate board dot com and you might remember him from such great stellar series as the now defunct beard world5/127
order although we're still working on our beer so we have we work on yeah we should do that at some point alright so let's let's bring people on a one by one and introduce them properly of course first of all we are joined by bill Conroy today and I again I hope you will be familiar with some of his work but for those who aren't familiar6/127
with bill Cohen rain is back on bill tell us a little bit about yourself the work that you do and why you do it well I am gonna journalists since the early eighties actually and worked mainstream publication it's your weekly Staley's magazines and basically my as my day job chan job of bread on the table arm but I'm also %HESITATION done investigative reporting for those publications7/127
and and probably since nine nineteen ninety nine as are on an independent basis armed since it at that point right around that it became impossible for me to continue doing it for by mainstream job lately basically %HESITATION encouraged me not to do it anymore I'm looking so I let that end and basically issues I followed it wasn't as has been the drug war %HESITATION police or8/127
law enforcement corruption national security as those kind of bleed together and %HESITATION immigration border issues arm I lived in Ireland near the border anyway in San Antonio Texas for like twenty years arm last couple years have been an Arab since lotus Seattle someone the other border arm and you know there's range issues there since I moved here that I've been covering that deal lot a bit9/127
still kind of the drug war but the other side of it is the legalization of marijuana and there are cannabis in and really how that's unfolding are in this neck of the woods which isn't really about marijuana as you might expect it's more about the business in the money and are their market position all that kind of things you see a lot of interesting things develop10/127
clean you know government intervention that is you know potentially less than you know I'm influenced by other especially the usual stuff where special interests are kind of manipulating the market arm and basically you know still following up on on things related the drug war arm and national security hems everywhere so that no matter where you are %HESITATION it is spell well knows himself or %HESITATION that's11/127
that's basically my background arm and you know looking forward to working with new spider and have the chance to her you know really you know do for you what more time and resources are limited to the effort I think in the last show Peter Collins I kinda came up and you know how and when it was about saying that arm you know most people that are12/127
doing you know independent journalism Ross and a journal I'll be want to call it real general as you now are doing so on her own time you know it is not a lot of %HESITATION positions left in the corporate media for sure alighted do it out and make a living arm and so you really want to do it it's got to be a labor of love13/127
so the opportunity actually be younger pay the rent put food on the table and pursue my labor law you know he's like that doesn't come along too often so I'm pretty excited about news but for that reason we exactly so and %HESITATION well I it's kind of the old chicken and the egg question does this bill followed the drug front around or does the drug front14/127
followed them around that's really the question anyway %HESITATION alright dear mold your monkey minutes again as I say we should be familiar to my listeners that traces of reality dot com and of course frequent contributor to boiling frog post dot com but you're always knew people tuning in tell us little bit about yourself your background and how you came to be involved in all of this15/127
yeah okay so the %HESITATION of background as far as issues is not unlike %HESITATION with those talking about although I don't have anywhere near the resume that turtle has that in the background on these topics but yes similar issues that interest me drug war immigration border issue stuff like that are my primary interests %HESITATION what's going on in America as far as the the geopolitical chess16/127
board also interests me are things like better sort of my my area that I focus on local expertise because I'm by no means an expert on anything Oakley but I do enjoy a reading into the user is issues exploring them I got into journalism as a hobby are probably a lot of people who are now in in all media you got into it as a hobby17/127
you know as a side thing what I was doing after my day job kind of thing up late two thousand ten issue early two thousand eleven something like that and that's the least just blossomed into something else and something I could do %HESITATION devote more time to I did a radio show for for a while %HESITATION did it and doing a podcast now been doing a18/127
podcast now for a couple years to three years %HESITATION traces of reality in the manufacturing consent over envoy frost first of course and %HESITATION yet we were together few times James on the old the or beard world order that so we like we should bring back at some point it was it was like for the name of low we can't let that go asking for both19/127
her up again as soon as far as %HESITATION this %HESITATION this this new project I'm I'm you know super jazzed about it very excited about it after that for the very same reasons of course are doing this at as bill does that right now %HESITATION don't get too repetitive but I feel the same way that much of that much of the time that we devote to20/127
stuff like this is our own time %HESITATION we're not %HESITATION getting paid for it so it's that we do after work or will we have some spare time up to the vote in one we do devote %HESITATION are are full time it's something that really there's there's not much %HESITATION there's not much in the way of of of financial gain from it unless you're working for21/127
the gigantic you know corporation %HESITATION mainstream or state run media outlet I can really make a living off of it %HESITATION but when something like this comes around where it's completely reader supported supported rather a completely listener supported and we can get the V. D. defined the th the funds in the finances %HESITATION unnecessary for us all to do this full time and have and be22/127
able to go as bill was saying provide for ourselves and our families and also have the resources to do top notched %HESITATION stuff reportage in journalism and bowtie media reports podcast whatever the case might be up yet that is the ideal situation so %HESITATION yet also like to encourage shoddy listeners out there are listeners out there to %HESITATION to donate to this project I think it's23/127
gonna be very very worthwhile and you got assigned a lot of value in it well let's talk about that value a little bit so Sibel when France was dot com of course and the %HESITATION the head of this news bad media venture let's talk about what is actually going to happen in before we start %HESITATION before we started rolling you suggested the idea that we all24/127
talk about some of the ideas that we could explore if we had the funds and budget that we are hoping to amass with %HESITATION news but dot com and I wanted to throw the ball first of all in your court looking around at the news media landscape at the moment what is the story that interests you that you think news but would be able to cover25/127
in and new interesting or or innovative way given %HESITATION the types of resources we want to have to to be able to throw these issues well currently %HESITATION less than two hours from me is the city off town of burns I wouldn't say I wouldn't call that really city and %HESITATION E. has been witnessing this uprising and the %HESITATION the after a fact and the recent26/127
shooting of Bob love boy Vinik him Finnick am and %HESITATION and the close cover up off of that shooting death is currently going on and from what I have been following and I have been following it very very closely I had the media both mainstream media and the alternative media doesn't even independent blockers unfortunately I have not seen it you know solid okay journalistic war and27/127
real coverage wealth what has been taking place for the mac past one month thirty days plus right here which is at the did the issues are significant and the U. bats that that that took place are are significant out what's currently L. or in the past few days has been developing since that shooting off up the boy up I have been very significant yet when I28/127
am reading the coverage both from the so called local media here which is mainly Oregon lie a but also there mainstream media coverage from a P. Reuters etcetera I haven't seen I haven't seen a real coverage of what has been taking place why and also the objective coverage of various factions people interests involved in this %HESITATION you get a lot of slob you know how it29/127
is they put everyone in one pocket and they say yes or depict two or three or four figures okay but some videos and and usually does people tend to be cartoonish characters or engage in some outrageous that that almost everyone here every single one of us would shake our heads as they only got that's rose that's disgusting who are these low life people but they did30/127
that I believe and and from what I have seen the people I have met and I have been traveling around I have been meeting with various people of who have been directly involved or day are up indirectly involved with with with what has been taking place it I would say is a gross misrepresentation and you know what I know is going to come as a surprise31/127
to a lot of people they got us thinking what's what kind of analogy are you making this year I see is parallel between how the mainstream media tries to marginalize whistleblowers and I went through that and I had a hundred fifty members for my organization and how he gained the same media outlets %HESITATION have been portraying and marginalizing I'm not saying you know in in in32/127
%HESITATION I don't wanna right now get into the negative or positive this faction that is so mix is is made of several factions and misrepresentation up off of what is taking place and awarded people involved and why they are involved and the more I am getting close to the people who are on the ground they are involved their families or their related cases in other states33/127
whether they are in Idaho or they are in Nevada or or there in Utah the more I realize how much life them Bologna's these publications have been giving us and also it's unfortunate because I see some really awful made up information true there you know blogosphere it's it's so I don't know how much of it is for purposeful or how much of it again his people34/127
claim journalists that as a journalist Q. rising everything there's no fact checking there are no interviews nope none of these people have got there have talked to any of these people so this tells me there is this vacuum here there's this void here and and and nobody nobody either locally either locally or if the country is covering what's really going on there and who these people35/127
are al-assad's you know this didn't come about overnight I mean there is this outrage that had been built at you still being built bah bye you know to live within ranchers community the farming community of the rural western community and and because they're really has never been real thorough coverage of these issues for a lot of people dislike overnight if you crazy people grab their guns36/127
went in there and they took over the building well that's not the narrative falls and because the reason they are giving you that narrative because they are not engage in real journalism and the best expert here to talk about this in terms of what are the ingredients of solid good up journalism to cover let's say an event like this and involve people and begin Bob interests37/127
the context they history etcetera yet would be of course the expert because I am not an investigative journalist the expert here is bill Conroy bill you wanna pick that up what so what do you think I'm real investigative report along these lines would actually look like and how would it differ from what we're seeing in the Amazon right now well it is nothing they investigated drowsiness38/127
my experiences arm in it Carol uses reasoning %HESITATION does it and I was confused as to the doctor and inductive reasoning when one has risen from the particular to the general the others you reason from the you know the general down to the to the particulars and I think we typically what happens with investigative journalism is you go in with a working theory you know you39/127
might have one that all the ranchers are right or the ranchers are wrong or you know whatever really doesn't matter because you you we need it nine times out of ten that working here you go into with it which is just something that I'll let you wind up we want to talk to and what what the story's about goes out the window very fast rom the40/127
stories end up being you know taking on a life of their own arm there's there's the end and you end it if if you're honest about it and you can suspend your are your political and an arm you know ideological leanings are least be aware of them so you can see where they're lining you to things you should be asking and and you know that's what41/127
that's really very important so that the dynamic in this this story of span and in there's probably true on the margins with it that it's these extremists mode militia types who aren't you know are you completely against the government added regardless in there they're you know they're there you know privileged white people for the most part and blah blah blah Nate there really the worst of42/127
the worst so everyone on the left hates them and then everyone on the right you know eight still left for hating them and it becomes this political thing right I'm and it doesn't get you anywhere Zel stories are dime a dozen arm I can argue both sides of it probably in and and convince people it makes people happy I I'm on the right and left but43/127
never together so I give that that's not my goal investigative journalism now they get should be it's it's it it at the other day with a story like that you do after you do have to talk to all the parties you gotta talk to ranchers and and and you know see where they start where the militia types and how much of this action was really representative44/127
of their you know enter these things are like can be analyzed for example you may have a legitimate beaver legitimate objective but then your tag your strategy and tactics can be off soon you employ about bad tactics still taking over the other took the wildlife refuge very well could be you know horrible tactic it in this you know in the service of what might be a45/127
legitimate objective that kind of thing you get a look at all that in incana personnel and in him you know in that story I'm less interested because that's his so called right that's an angel battlegroup though the ranchers in the government west I mean that's that's part of American history arm and you know the in the in the skin the struggle over water rights in and46/127
you know all that could be a very interesting story of you know it's a waters on federal land in the ranchers are you know you know having to pay to get water and grazer cattle whatever it you know I I think being abused as are those deals fare %HESITATION you know are the ranchers you know being you know that beyond many of them might be really47/127
wealthier they just wealthy interests looking for more arm how many of them are how many emerges you know data day scrapping by like a lot of farmers in the Midwest that just you know are getting kicked around and and you know art there their relations aren't being paid attention to so I guess what I'm saying is you gotta kinda like going there and just to the48/127
extent you can suspend your own you know blinders and look around and find where the story is because there's all kinds of stories in there in that particular thing one that interests me and and this is you know the black lives matter arm Arab movement is getting a lot of attention and course their major concern is opt out or you know police use of force and49/127
and the excessive use of force in in in almost all these occasions where people didn't need to die and is focused in that case and you know the disproportionate violence against people color and you know I think factually that's pretty you know pretty much bored out that there's something going on there is a problem but what's would it in in its in separate from you know50/127
some other issues but what what seems to be defining force you're going to do a story about excessive police force armed and and in too many people getting killed when they don't need to buy the police we got a look at how that issue plays out does duck we have a racial component that's what black right matters is bringing out but in general if you have51/127
a police force that is too quick to kill you would see that pattern play out in almost any encounter above many more encounters then just necessary that a racially tinged you would have a problem with the police a a militarized police force you would expect is probably show up in greater proportions baby with people of color but it's still showing up across the board it's it's52/127
a problem with society and in reality a solid that problem it's better to go at that issue then turn it into a racial divide because you don't get anywhere that people just fight over well you know white privilege chi young black folks are it in in in the truth says army does disproportionately probably impact people of color more but if you get at the underlying issue53/127
with an investigative story and say in reality you know what happened in Oregon with with with with the FBI shooting in the sky and you have to get the facts yet with the videos dashboard camera did you talk to people at least explore that issue was this a case of our you know our other you know to call an unnecessary murder unnecessary shooting of a of54/127
a civilian it is it is it is it the case that there you know law enforcement because of the militarization law enforcement over the years which you can get the facts to show that have become trigger happy them they're more likely to shoot and not you in all these situations and that's the real issue here arm it it doesn't matter if this guy was a right55/127
wing person are left wing person nobody deserves to get shot down like a dog right and we can all agree on that black wait in yellow and in red and everyone in between can you can agree on the fact that we don't need a police force in this country that you know is I'm necessarily in on that did you know it means that is killing people56/127
her in great numbers that don't need to be killed or some wrong there and that's that's where I would start get into that story and if you start talking filtering the questions in the people you talk to sue that lands you you paint a different picture what's going on there arms you know it it's it's yeah and you get out I think a bigger issue in57/127
the country that maybe unites people around a problem that needs to be solved so what so often happens it they are divided over these issues that are affecting all and they don't see their self interest in them so where I end and you know a good investigator peace can kind of strip away all the layers of you know our Mirage and and get to the kernel