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Caitlin Johnstone
Title: A Year Ago, Maddow Explained How MSM Would Use Russiagate To Escalate Cold War
Published: 2018-01-24
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5VYirP2Bfk
Title: A Year Ago, Maddow Explained How MSM Would Use Russiagate To Escalate Cold War
Published: 2018-01-24
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5VYirP2Bfk
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[Music] hey welcome to going rogue the podcast for clear eyed rebels and utopia Preppers I'm here with the rogue journalist Caitlin Johnston I'm Caitlin's worse half Tim Foley how you doing Caitlin hey Tim we just got back from a musical we went to see the musical Wicked at am just a high school drama school or something like yeah yeah yeah it was it was pretty high2/64
most phenomenally it was an amazing amazing show um we both love musical theatre and we both love wicked in particularly it was a whole other experience watching it through the filter of this thing we've been doing for the last year and a half or however long it's been it was it was very visceral like I knew it was about propaganda and stuff and I I you3/64
know grasp that the first time I saw it like on the big stage or whatever but there was it was very emotional wasn't it it gets quite because a lot of the things that they were talking about are very relevant to to what we've been seeing but also what were being put through as well yeah the return of the villages actually had me shaking with it4/64
yeah right yeah and and like just how so so if you're unfamiliar with the with the musical what it does is it takes the original Wizard of Oz story and then it presents this whole other angle to it where it's like ah no that's not really what happened what really happened was she was actually a good person and The Wizard of Oz was a bad person5/64
and it's and it's uh it's kind of saying that the wizard knows the musical is the propaganda story because they won the war like you know who normal normal with the device yeah and that wicked is the true story the real story right you know what yeah it's basically about prop again in there and it has people straight up saying like lying to large groups of6/64
people she's wicked she's pure evil yeah you need to go and get her when really they're just covering up their own misdeeds if you know it just really reminds me other stuff that used the the non-stop propaganda narratives you see running against whichever non-compliant leader becomes enemy number one of America on any given day right and I saw actually this time the Elphaba there you know7/64
that we could reach at the West in The Wizard of Oz there an alphabet character really was the the artist like she's the one that has the magic and the creativity and you know she and people see that and they wanted for their own propaganda purposes so he's been she's been grabbed but you know then the Wizard of Oz because he doesn't have any magic of8/64
his own so you know he would love to own something like her that that would actually make him look more powerful than he is yeah which kind of kind of ties into what we talked about a few episodes back when we went to see pitch perfect 3 and how you know is this cool art thing when movies about singing and it's fun and then all of9/64
a sudden the [ __ ] Pentagon gets its tentacles into it and starts [ __ ] around with it right yeah yeah evil thieves the beauty of you know artistry and creativity or whatever and they think the flu insist he wants the precious see because they think you know really that's the only way that they can get all their evil [ __ ] done like if10/64
you know if Hillary Clinton didn't have those chains and teams of people putting all their creativity into writing her tweets and making her sound like a human being like she wouldn't be you know she had to stand up and say what she thought like what she really thought about things she wouldn't know him would ever want to go near her they were always saving her from11/64
herself so um and uh you can say that about in your like you know yeah Donald Trump certainly has not employed teams of people he'd if he has a team of people auditing these tweets he needs to fire all of them they have no business doing that he needs much better people auditing his tweets big money we fed that up haha actually was yeah yeah that's12/64
all good don't forget to put the sad at the end yeah pretty sure pretty much else to come back yeah no one can stop a spoon I told you not to let him that was pretty fascinating wasn't it yeah yeah it was a good time um so you wrote an article which was like a spin-off of our conversation we had in our in the last one13/64
right it was pretty much actually if you if you were listening to the last podcast you don't really need to read this article you make your case very substantially and you put a bunch of hyperlinks in there and you show exactly what she did and what she said word for word and and yeah it's really a horrifying so it's it's titled a year ago Maddow explained14/64
how MSM would use Russia gate to escalate the Cold War right so it's like the one-year anniversary of that yes our monologue where she she spilled the beans on the establishment plan to double double double blackmail Trump into escalating tensions with a nuclear nation yeah it was really clever you know go Rachel what what's thinking what a thinker she is yeah I know I'll get him15/64
like I'll just make sure that he's escalating tensions with fashion [ __ ] Russia oh so she was actually that's me the most honest she's maybe ever been but she needed to because she was that that whole video was clearly meant to to as part of the pressure right saying um it kind of was the letter wasn't it that you think that they the blackmail later16/64
right with the with the cutout so yes I'll be watching right so Maddow gives us this this segment where she says basically she walks you through that talks about the steel dossier the pissed gate dossier and says the KGB has an extensive history of doing this sort of thing that that is alleged in the dossier saying they think they get sex tapes on political enemies and17/64
stuff and they try to blackmail them or or sabotage their political careers and she says so that that makes it totally likely that this dossier is true which is just ridiculous which did you notice with Luke Savage the guy who wrote that collusion book that was his a whole argument with dislike yeah well they kind of used to do [ __ ] like that so this18/64
means that means they definitely definitely definitely did it so now I'm gonna call my book collusion and then yeah and that that Aaron's monta interview where he got ripped to shreds that was Ma Tei just went it just owned him like a silverback gorilla yeah it was really just oh god no you know what I was reminded of that there is a transcript of that someone19/64
sat down and yeah that's for posterity for future generations not to do that it's really it's just as good to read it's just as good to read yeah I'll put the link in the young podcast yes yeah yeah so when when Ma Tei beat the [ __ ] outta luck Harding the the collusion guy he was basically his whole thing he kept coming back to was20/64
like making false assertions and then zooming way out and going yeah well Russia is not good you seem to think Russia is good and Russia is totally this sort of bad bad nation that would do this sort of thing yeah yeah and Aaron was saying ya know look I I do not disagree with that that is not the point we need to you know you actually21/64
need to prove the priests your title it in the title of your book you think collusion now now what does that mean how do you prove that it's like if you knew one shady guy in New York City claiming well that means that that one shady guy definitely murdered this this corpse I'm looking well done detective well there's no evidence that it was him you start22/64
saying oh well you think that shady guy is so great you obviously need to spend more time with that shady guy because if you knew about him you would agree with me that he definitely murdered this dude I was talking about [ __ ] the FSB and the KGB being pretty much the same thing except that was her proof yeah and then Putin was KGB and23/64
saying so therefore he definitely did this and then saying Obama at the end of his administration put a bunch of troops on Russia's borders and escalated the Cold War and then she said point blank so we're gonna be watching him and if Trump withdraws those troops thereby de-escalating the Cold War that will prove that the Kremlin has this piss gate footage yeah get in mind a24/64
year ago that pretty much wasn't a Cold War there was there was it was burgeoning it was in early early days smouldering yeah yeah and it was really yeah there was still friendly talks it it wasn't the full-blown thing there is now so like I mean we kind of hoped as well that at the very least Trump would not escalate things with Russia as everyone clearly25/64
wanted to I couldn't even believe that people when it first started happening I just thought it was the funniest thing ever I didn't take it seriously Russia gate thing yeah and even Donna Brazile yeah I thought that was really funny I laughed remember I really I really thought it was funny so and it was only it was actually Glenn Greenwald that pointed out saying wow this26/64
is pretty dangerous we need them yeah the Germans have a really ugly history of this yeah and and people have some inbuilt trauma about this that would be easy to yeah I mean well was one of the one of the ones calling it from the very beginning saying uh-oh everybody pay attention to this and everyone was like yeah whatever yeah I was well I mean like27/64
I thought it was funny I enjoyed making fun of it but yeah I really didn't think it was that it was just ridiculous and you never thought anyone believed no let alone now look and I left all this stuff so they forced RT and Sputnik to register as foreign agents they've expanded NATO including Montenegro they've established a permanent military presence in Syria to effect regime change28/64
yeah they've assigned the neoconservative Russia Warhawk Kurt Volker as Special Representative to Ukraine that didn't go down well at the Kremlin um and they shut down like consulate in San Francisco animation you know they throw out Russian diplomats and stuff and then they sent that anti book anti-bully stick missile system to Japan and the Russian sanctions bill so they've been squeezing him on that even though29/64
like the administration admits that it's actually hurting the states as well so so this genius brilliant Nayan nipa tenth figure Vladimir Putin yeah installs infiltrates the highest levels of US government using his magical her powers yeah but he also [ __ ] up catastrophic Lee and ended up installing someone who is worse towards Russia than Obama right like worth way with none of this makes sense30/64
at any nowhere does it make if you look at the whole picture really clearly and you don't desperately want to see it some other way right it's plainly [ __ ] yeah I get that you know Russia wanted Trump more than Hillary a lot of nations did yeah and especially Russia there's there's articles from early 2015 where people are just even like normal conservatives are saying31/64
like hey Hillary's trying to start a war with Russia guys right yeah like early early on yeah her reputation did precede her in foreign affairs she you know she had not made a name for herself in the international scene as someone who you really want every step of the way right people talked about her foreign policy experience that's her foreign policy experience if you look at32/64
it was disqualifying instantly disqualifying yeah and that was actually quite clear to the rest of the world and not so much to Americans that we that that you know the rest of the world we've kind of Lily relieved the Donald Trump Guardian thought it was hilarious but that was the kind of vibe here wasn't it that was like you know that is interesting it kind of33/64
makes sense out of me I didn't like that Hillary lady though and cuz yes she did have a really nasty reputation war mongering yeah and also pinching money from everywhere like those rumors about that that overall coming out now and argumentation like from Morocco and Qatar and Saudi Arabia all these weird ties yes right there in WikiLeaks right yeah obviously you know well Russia and a34/64
lot of other countries didn't want Hillary to win but that universe like it doesn't mean that they did it and it has been used these poisonous siop to make a grab-bag of all the progressive issues all the social issues that were burgeoning during the Bernie campaign you notice that everything that was actually coming up all the socialism everything about black lives matter with the green stuff35/64
dapple anything that was actually healthy and with coming up as as as a problem that needs to be fixed is now being labeled as Russia Russia did that Russia Russia created America's racial problems right activists I don't know if you guys realize this but you're actually doing that because of what amir putin right yeah okay so that actually you know you can laugh about that but36/64
how [ __ ] poisonous is it that those things are but also how privileged must people be if they are putting this obsession with russia diddling the election and maybe putting in like a candidate that you know for the first time in their lives they didn't get what they wanted so they're obsessed with this russia thing at the expense of black lives matter at the expense37/64
of you know like running water at the expense of there's so many issues that they've lumped in and so that people aren't even making like you you have to be in a fairly privileged position to be thinking that russia is more important than the everyday social issues that are pressing on everyday americans yeah cuz like the actual even the total allegations against russia if you take38/64
them full front on and assume they're true they're totally weak sauce what is the propagandized americans ooh scary no americans are exposed to propaganda all of a sudden right yeah oh well i'm like what they're continuously saturated in from fox news and CNN MSNBC day after day after day by every screen and piece of paper there ever are near right exactly even if freshened did everything39/64
that they said so [ __ ] what so people are dying in a mail right now and and all anyone can think about is Russia and escalating tensions with them you can't point to a single American who has been killed by anything Russia did not ease establishment people you [ __ ] are running to for protection are choking you to death day after day after day40/64
and making your lives miserable making you have to work two jobs to put food on the table taking away your health insurance killing people overseas with money that should be spent at home that's right daddy say na we'll make it all better protect us CNN yeah every everyone who argues with people like you who comes after you with their whole whole witch-hunt is is basically saying41/64
how dare you tell us that the CIA doesn't have my best interests at heart right yeah and at the same time you know saying that I'm like overly privileged and stuff and putting my privilege above other people's paintings [ __ ] you Russia gate is privileged yes you get to diddle your [ __ ] [ __ ] hat in peace whatever thing that you know will42/64
never happen it's just this non thing SIOP that was only used to manufacture escalations for a cold war that benefits no one to any extent ever and and at the expense of Americans who could be saved by the building up of a real left in America or at least advancing leftist causes like universal health care and that's being [ __ ] creativity that has been sucked43/64
up by this [ __ ] style people have in their minds these grasp like you know these like red lines of all these different people metaphor like they can lift them they get on there and they could you pound it out yeah you should fallacy and you know why they have all those lines right right because you have to go from they have all those red44/64
lines between from this face to that face to that face to that face to that face and it finally goes back to the Kremlin because that's how many how many to live you need yeah yeah yeah so it's a very complicated conspiracy theory as well this is not simple so it's chewing up all this mental energy as well so there's all these people just running around45/64
like you know their heads like up there awesome thinking about this [ __ ] when actually like there's actual real work to be done like no one's pushing for climate change that's we just flush that down the toilet that's gone we cared about that at the beginning of the Trump administration at least there were some people talking about that going I hope she doesn't do the46/64
Paris Accord thing or whatever right people barely have enough energy that put towards single-payer like there's very few things and and anytime something does get a little bit of energy towards it it's like oh the Russians did that too like right yeah any anytime anytime there's any like like trending issue about Democrats any kind of Democrat things I uh yeah the Russians are pushing that I47/64
know that because this neocon website tells me so yeah and and now even so as as long as Americans are diddling this Russian side up to any extent really and a mainstream capacity is unless it's like this real fringe thing where it can't do any harm as long as it's this mainstream front-and-center thing that will kill the left you cannot have leftist agendas and also have48/64
Russia gate you cannot do it I actually had a thought the other day it must be a lie do you know why it must be a lie why because they couldn't the establishment I'm talking about on both sides of the aisle they couldn't actually try to impeach him on anything real because anything real would have ties to any number of them they had to make up49/64
something and it had to be so fantastical that and you know exciting and like it's good all that lapping sort of like energy to it that that people would take it and run with it but it would never actually the investigation would never lead to anything real you wrote an article months ago many months ago about how Trump had already relatively early in his administration committed50/64
impeachable war crimes oh there were experts saying this right he's done many I've been keeping an eye on these he's done many many impeachable things and no resistance person will go anywhere near them it's like there's got electric fence around them you'll never hear near attendant talking about them because it you know war crimes help me God if he if they get him on war crimes51/64
like and it's not just you know it like that they may retrospectively look at a bomber and go well you know he did that to that does that mean that they all did etc it means that they can't do them ongoing for if they actually get them on that and then they impeach him that that little you know loophole or whatever that they were using to52/64
do all those heinous things is closed and they intend to keep doing it once they repeat Trump with it once they replace Trump with a Democrat they want that Democrat to be able to do the same damn thing right so they're not going to touch that obviously yeah they need to keep all their loopholes in place and you know all their tacit consent you know not53/64
really consent that kind of consent from the public about the crazy nasty things that they do both in foreign policy with the war machine but also in corruption as well you know money changing hands etc yeah yeah in addition to keeping their their buddies Dick Cheney and W and Obama out of The Hague exactly where they [ __ ] belong anyway so yes so I see54/64
kind of Russia is the Elphaba right you know everyone chase after the bad guy yeah yeah except that you know what she did was kind of magic and real like I don't even know [ __ ] knows yeah it doesn't matter Russia didn't need to have to have done anything because the establishment plainly had these agendas in place locked and loaded ready to go years ahead55/64
of time exactly you're seeing the same agenda acted out that would have been acted out had Clinton been elected but that's what's a weird for everyone it's like the machine has to like the machine like the machine had like a bodysuit you know like butter one of those really realistic looking the ones you know that actually looked like a human and stuff and then Trump ripped56/64
that off and it's this machine just like crushing people the war machine keeps going the you know Walmart welfare Walmart I call it economy keeps going people keep dying and it is these obviously this nasty nasty machine and that's kind of like that that's that's the the pain and the pleasure I think of Donald Trump is that he's taken that's a pretty face of all of57/64
it yeah and and I think a lot of the anger that is directed at Trump is in reality the same anger that a wife has towards someone who shows her evidence that her husband is committing an affair right why did you show me that no I hurt inside because I have a face this thing I've been dissociating from my own life and and uh there's a