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Title: The Russia-Turkey-USA Pendulum
Published: 2016-10-31
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXRFGWkZZuI
Title: The Russia-Turkey-USA Pendulum
Published: 2016-10-31
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXRFGWkZZuI
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this is a news but presentation made possible only by you our supporters please visit our Kickstarter campaign and pledge today I everyone I'm Spiro with news but dot com welcome to this week's roundtable where we will be discussing the recent tensions between the US and Russia more specifically we will look at Turkey and where they fit into all of this we all remember the recent failed2/122
coup attempt in Turkey which the Turkish government has blamed on the United States and fed to lock you land in a pure did push Turkey closer to Russia and away from the U. S. and NATO shortly after that vice president Joe Biden paid a visit to Turkey it coincided with a joint U. S. Turkey military offensive in Syria Turkey has also struck a new energy deal3/122
with Russia so it looks like Turkey is kind of going back and forth between the U. S. and Russia now recently Turkey's deputy prime minister stated fighting in Syria has put the world on the brink of a global war end quote if this proxy war continues after this let me be clear America and Russia will come to a point of war now I'd like to welcome4/122
our panel to hear what they have to say about all of this joining me is news by its own professor Philip Camacho bitch of the Russian newspaper monitor and news butts founder and chief Sibel Edmonds Sabella has been awhile since we've covered Turkey and there have been many recent developments now what's the latest on your radar well interestingly we had this roundtable discussion talking about Turkey's5/122
position switching back and forth like a pendulum like a yo yo as you just mentioned Spiro it started with right immediately after the coup of everyone president everyone went to Russia meant that president Putin and he even brought up or day brought up or with both parties brought up the case of NATO and the NATO base there was this rumors or discussions or behind the scenes6/122
talks about a Turkey actually shutting down the NATO base there in injure lake and possibly %HESITATION Russians using it for some of their operations %HESITATION in Syria and then of course that visit happened to place without VP Biden and suddenly Turkey's tune changed and started swinging to the other side and during that meeting as you remember it they also had Barzani coming to Turkey and he7/122
is a very important figure because boats with Syria and and Iraq that Kurdish card becomes a very very very important part in terms of what what can take place that is that applies to everyone and and and the Kurdish parts has always been one of the most important parts out there he came to Turkey and he was present during the meeting it's being BP by then8/122
and %HESITATION added and the Turkish officials and the as you just mentioned the game they had the %HESITATION the intense operations beginning again and that they went into Syria etcetera etcetera so it looked like Turkey was swinging back towards the United States and all that talk about usually based kind of died down that hole of noise that we were hearing in the background that that's possible9/122
or is it possible but then in the last %HESITATION few days several important developments have been taking place are one is what's going on with Iraq and especially wit morsel and again Turkey has become a very very important and the most important outside Iraq nation on what is going to happen in Iraq because again with this particular region that this particular topic your in game looking10/122
at the Kurdish factions dash and the Kurdish question and coming down again to the same think the Kurdish part so during this three four days but that Iraq and Mosul %HESITATION topics and the subject ruling of the also had the news coming out saying ball Turkey's president Aragon is swinging back possibly towards Russia gain the energy deal between Russia and Turkey was signed also that is11/122
concrete so that's one thing that is concrete because they now it's done because that is that is done but also we have started hearing some other buzz in the background about and there was a stack of file and we are going to make you a link available to our viewers saying that there is a possibility that Turkey has been which Russia of engaging in certain a12/122
strategic moves to up blocked the U. S. is operation in Syria bitches they be you as nefarious EDS are and in fact there may be some double crossing there that even though during these operations into Syria Turkey was back and actually engage in it together with the U. S. but some of the late operations there and what Turkey has been doing in Syria it looks as13/122
if Turkey is engaged in an operation that would benefit because Russia Syria and and and Iran and that action not the United States the west NATO so that is brewing Emmy gonna have that %HESITATION link available so we are back of where we were before exactly the same spot saying is the swinging back and forth you too are caused by president Aragon not knowing exactly which14/122
way he's going to of really swinging towards is it that or are we talking about possible double crossing here that during the visit but Russia possibly Turkey and Russia had some other kinds of of behind the scenes of agreements on how Turkey even though they would move into the Syria and and and going to those operations with the United States they may actually you or engage15/122
in things that would benefit the Russians Syrian side so that question comes into the picture and still remains and of course of the the Kurdish issue with Iraq that can change the entire picture because if you look at the latest news coming out of Iraq you are seeing certain factions in Iraq telly Turkey Hey you can use this to come into Iraq and and and and16/122
enter Iraq and and say okay now I'm gonna be a major player especially in the northern portion with the Kurds and basically they're saying you step back we are dealing with the United States on this whole Iraq operations and yet we don't want you to be an actor in here on the other hand if Barzani Barzani has been %HESITATION actually playing that the side that is17/122
the NATO site Turkey side and he has been always this pop its head and pop it figure out there that has been basically keeping the Kurdish faction lawful quiet when it comes to certain aggressions committed by Turkey within the borders in on the organ Iraq with all that I think it is really time it's way past time to bring an outside perspective more per macro perspective18/122
into what is really happening here what are we seeing with Turkey but this pendulum but this you'll you'll like swinging from that the Russian side to the United States because while his conversations are happening I just read the news that Germany was fortifying their members in Turkey injure like baseball they have send several of their officers more officers in to injure like base in Turkey so19/122
what is really going on and and how that is affecting or how that is influence off course whipped by Russia as well and hear from a professor kwacha bitch and try to get a better more macro perspective outside good perspective on what is happening really the Turkey Russia and the %HESITATION Atlantis the United States what's happening in Europe at this time is essentially just struggle with20/122
window geopolitical world view between two ideologies Atlantis is them and Eurasia Atlantis is them is represented by Nikhil it's represented by the IMF by the World Bank by George Soros Lapland the console by the council on foreign relations as dawn and Eurasia need them especially at this point of time is represented by by the Russian for employees that perhaps also the Chinese or foreign policy and21/122
the big question right now he's aware that he is going to locate you felt in other words where the current presidential administration I'll ever go on is going to play it cell in this struggle between two different to grant ideologies if we look at the Turkish history we we find a lot though a lot of ground we're expecting that Indiana Russia and Turkey could be on22/122
the same start but let's go back to what happened after the end of the world going one way Turkey was especially occupied by the European powers and when I'm most of our Camelot that don't lead then there were the war against the European powers lasted two years and was successful in forming the more modern Turkish nation state at that time he was he was helped by23/122
the boss street by land and by the Soviet Union in other words in those in those days after the end of World War two both countries were isolated from Europe the Soviet Union and Turkey and they found a common a common point of corporation and they have formed a strategic partnership with the prime which helped lead to some very friendly negotiation about the border and the24/122
study you know hectic nonstop there you don't know the dirt yet that by so we have a press that we have a press of the bill most cooperation between Russia and Turkey won both got he's just like all day found themselves at the F. go back over the Atlantis is all of the western alliance our if you look at the did your all but isn't perspective25/122
in Turkey if it's good it's stronger and get stronger %HESITATION it because if it connects to the Kemalist ideology reach you yeah go up your populism National League up and secular Islamic Turkey but more than that you has the amp by imperialist orientation this is the key because you're raising the them as well head if anybody here is orientation that there you know what we are26/122
not going to let the western powers tell us what to do we are going to defend our national sovereignty not as the value you need now but there's the means to defend the right of our people all the citizens of these countries who have important stay in political decision making in this guiding which direction they're gods is going to think and this is what's happening in27/122
Russia at this time and also in therapy so what we are seeing in Berwick yeah I think you do research on all the idea that there are you Ken Ormond alliance with the east and be successful in this alliance but that seems to be like you said the question there %HESITATION I mean where you can look through history and you see that Russia and Turkey have28/122
also %HESITATION works together but you can also see throughout history that they've been put at odds against each other as well so this is this is the truth your are and he's going up there around him that barb and the war is not that dry shop and Turkey had a liver M. if if you look at more closely at these wars used to that everything look29/122
I'm there was an interest or some western powers in provoking them to come to blows everything good time sometimes these western powers with them or hurt you against Russia and sometimes it was the blood pressure against Turkey so what we are closely head in those wars used vehicle countries allowing them become playthings of the western powers what they need to do at this time he's refused30/122
to play this role and develop Crommelin a gram of gold ratio Wrigley's gum some guy in the wake of agreement where they got together because they have essentially the same upon them and they stop one is neoliberal globally and neo liberal globally got most of my backpack wants to I develop an ideology imposed on every bar and it's back I would say that that Dirk you31/122
would get much more respect for its culture and traditions from from the Eurasian if they're from the Atlantis so here is my question to you though %HESITATION professor who watch a bitch and that is how can that be possible which hurt he remaining to be a NATO member because dad alone seems to be is just impossibility because we are also looking at this extremely important region32/122
oldest bands you know are included Azerbaijan and then you're looking Turkmenistan agribusiness than an older stands Turkey character share the same target language a Muslim right and we know that the United States and based on the whole grand chess game and %HESITATION Brzezinski plan even though to date we keep hearing about Syria and Iraq and Libya and Saudi Arabia everything out within less than a decade33/122
is going to be shifted towards oldest fans the ones that you don't hear much about because you're looking at all the natural resources there from oil to gas to minerals and of course the issue of pipelines and we know that NATO has been very active targeting those of former Soviet blocs a slow former Soviet states are existentialist shutdown men S. %HESITATION air base and they kicked34/122
out the United States so that was one loss in the United States book but me no Azerbaijan is the NATO member candidate that has been a candidate since I don't know two thousand four both with their expenditure and training and the already have groups even though people don't know about that in Azerbaijan and is there NATO U. S. people our military troops in Azerbaijan and Turkey35/122
has been a facilitator in a way up between these self former Soviet states and the NATO because they are taking Turkey's lead or that had been the plan from the beginning Turkey has been a great facilitator as a NATO member Muslim Turkic heritage to go and start devouring does former Soviet space breaking down into the NATO fall you know it's not only Ukraine but as Azerbaijan36/122
it was great because the stand so looking at that and as long as Turkey is a NATO member how could there be a chance for that kind of a an alliance no matter how much that would make sense that they on the paper or even to be to the advantage off terms is it even possible be doubt Turkey moving out of the L. Atlantis's evil circle37/122
NATO those those are very good western Sibel I would say first of all that you're there cool against air dawn had fixed the view by this time we would have had a war between Russia and there this was the plane and in fact if you look at who specifically saw down there there are some military jet over over Syria in November who got that fifteen it38/122
was the officers that belong to them cool blockers in other words the Berwick used airports directly work or do you have glasses in they look to provoke the conflict within Russia and Turkey and if you look at the New York Giants and the articles in The New York Times in those days after the Russian jet was shot down you'll feel a lot of joy in those39/122
dark to go there air go on and then we'll go against each other this was seen in the articles themselves and those baby eighty corniel's so yeah it's clear that this this this Atlanta this faction represented by the Washington establishment in the CAF bar want there that was the plan part thirty to go to war against rafter or Russia look back there you did was the40/122
plan this land fail and and we are all should be happy because the world was that that bring on a global conflagration and and we were saved at the last minute we were spared so already being June already in June erdo on-again though June and then that's cool well we'll get them into practice as well about two weeks later and the X. fail and so what41/122
they're doing is being right now you need especially purging all goes block there's many of whom are in the bill many of whom were in the United they get the panel but cool in Baghdad example electorate years earlier art mural is they need more stuff because they think you want to know who was here and you like that they don't drop it in and then he42/122
immediately requested that the island was paying you and I I think that if this if this cleared up and go on it at the last minute figured out what was going on and that he stop you stop this very dangerous geopolitical project well causing a war between the restaurant there now to to go back to the thirteenth republics of Central Asia that you mentioned from what43/122
I know is that the people in those states yeah firmly support you've alway Eurasia respect they can all become then don't buy into our plan is neoliberal economics in other words they want this they want some kind of a waste of a socialist they don't take care of them and they want to have more equality in their society this is the part of that tradition equality44/122
not that cute yeah within the rich and the poor that that neo liberalism is being so what was going to happen in those countries and in some we have seen the transformation or anything I think your gift now we have seen your gift them moving from a from a it drawn they bill baby by hosting the US military base monus to be calming April Eurasian is45/122
roar Ashton's baby bye bye if they actually are are disconnecting debate that closing the base now and the current government give you stuff is again %HESITATION opening the big again and in fact now now bills that were actually though still a story seems to me that if they call project to integrate Central Asia into some kind of a plastic this framework one decide all of NATO46/122
and the US establishment has failed JFK S. crayon our however this is not to say that we are not going to see in the court of political elite it's got to not just in a very big job trying to remain in power by being help from the outside now that we're going against their own people and I can go on and go on to realize that47/122
the last moment then you should not go against the people and what people don't you want in my opinion is they want their national sovereignty back they are tired of being dummy they it by the forces from the outside by Nate go by the western Europe yeah and by pure night they they want the day their country back and they can take you back in there48/122
different geopolitical framework with the Eurasian it rather that would be a clown because they have much more in common with Eurasia band with the the powers goes to open the Great Britain and and the United States at and at the same time we'll what does the important used to look at their early just situates up because in in their past are the western European powers have49/122
used religion Greece yeah yeah yeah yeah well no cause problems in the Balkans and in the Central Asia and those at the margins between Russia and there and I think that if if Kirk yeah Russia are on the same side as they should be they can overcome this silly just car they can prevail over Vietnam because they conflict between Christians and Moslems after all let me50/122
remind you that that Russia has the significant Moslem population about fifteen percent which is the bar when a million people and these Muslims in Russia have been integrated into the national society and in fact there was the big mosque being open in Moscow when air go gamble I invite you then this will be a good number of who does the fifteen so I think there are51/122
still a mutation that this bag is very careful who have very good relations with the Muslims in Russia or is the other side your opponents of Russia I'm trying to provoke the Muslims or the caucus is the big band again the Russian government and they've seen within the checking up all big river steel was going on it I give them all day and those please some52/122
other part of the caucuses state in my opinion what's important at this time used to cherish this your Asia tradition which exist or in Russia any therapy Ravitch said to the European and yep like this is we want you out because we want to be in charge of our day me we do not want to allow our countries will become your call on me and that53/122
is the plan that you have for us in this land will be I think that's cool but not everything use that is one hundred percent rational and logical so have we had rational and logical players in on this chess board this is exactly what we would be seeing now what did you think going to the recent going back to the recent history operation Gladio and then54/122
operation Gladio be it the target Central Asia caucuses we know Turkey as a NATO member was has been one of the most important conduits players in operation Gladio practices and that includes a recruiting training and then up putting them into terror practices terrorism practices operations into Russia by using the Chechens and Turkey has a very long history on record they have been doing it since early55/122
mid nineteen nineties and then the same thing is true where what happened when we had the the conflict between Georgia and Russia and and Turkey's position on that begin as a NATO member an operation Gladio major player of and then of course so as long as I'm considering that recent history and as long as currently Turkey after Dick who I believed if everyone in this place56/122
you know the players at least for a Turkish site were logical you would have already are began seeing those that they should act by by the base being closed down and Turkey saying they're withdrawing their request of membership into you and of course NATO but this back on board beat up president and go on and and and president Obama between %HESITATION U. S. and and Russia57/122
while still holding that member NATO position how could these logical things that you present it because I believe the majority of the people introduce specially after the coup would be for what you just said because if you read opinion pieces if you listen to the people to the social media that's what most people want in Cherokee and that's what you listed exactly and that's rational but